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Building a team around Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by valorita, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. BreakYoSelfFool

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    Of course the example I provided was oversimplified, however, the basic principle is correct. Yes there are certian roles that are much better performed by bigs, for example intimidating and changing shots at the rim. This is one of the main needs of the team.

    The point is there aren't specifically designed roles that everyone can do. There was once a time when PG and SG were not differentiated along with SF and PF. The Rockets play mor in this manner.

    The point guard doesnt have to be the designated spot up shooter, as long as we have guys on the court who can do it. The SG doesnt have to be the primary penetrator as long as we have people who can. etc.

    The goals of our team are to:
    • Maximize our posessions and shots while minimizing the opponents
    • Maximize the efficiency of the possessions and shots we take while minimizing the opponents

    As long as we get players that improve our ability to do that, we are improving as a team.

    There is a reason why our team plays better with unconventional lineups. We play better with our most efficient players on the court, regardless of position. Most teams would.
     
  2. Aleron

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    You have an interesting definition of talent, you really just named a whose who of ****ty front offices.

    4. Dallas with Dirk ?

    You can build a championship team around one player, you just have to know what you're doing, and a supporting cast that's vying for the worst record in the nba without its star is just doing it in a really poorly designed fashion.

    As for Miami, given their talent level, that James and Wade don't co-exist all that well is half their problem, if Wade was say Reggie Miller (a player of a similar effectiveness level to Wade but more complimentary to James), they'd be unlucky to ever see even a game 6.
     
  3. roslolian

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    In what way did Dallas build around Dirk? They've been trying to follow the Spurs model, which is get talent first and then try to co-exist later on. This is the reason why they got Jet and Kidd on the team, even when Dirk is already a capable shooter and creator himself, so that when he sits or is having a tough night then the team can still function without him.

    LOL well duh obviously in a perfect world you'd want someone who is both as talented and yet is complimentary to your star. But the reality is when building a team you have to make sacrifices between game and talent, and most GMs pigeon hole themselves into getting a specific type of player rather than looking at what's available and picking the BPA. For example Orlando had max capspace but ended up spending it all on Rashard Lewis simply because they wanted a PF who could be a stretch four for Dwight. I don't recall anyone calling Paxson and Thibs dumb but Miami manhandled the Bulls simply because other than Rose they had no one on the perimeter who could create their own shot.

    OTH, Miami signed Battier last year, and Ray Allen this year even when SF/SG is already their strongest position, and they needed help at C and Pg. That resulted in a ring last year, and things are looking bright this year as well. Remember the Bulls won 6 rings running with MJ and a squad that could go to the NBA finals without him. That's the right way to build a team, create a good team that can stand on it's own and then add your star, not look at what your star can do and then look for specific players that fit your star to a T but might not be the most talented guys on the market.
     
  4. kuku

    kuku Contributing Member

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    Here is a better blueprint building a championship team around Harden. Let's upgrade all other positions and keep Harden,

    Let's trade everyone else for:
    The best center in NBA
    Two time MVP in PG position
    SF with an ex-DPOY, multi first and second all defense team
    PF with an ex-ROY, all star and one of the most skill 7-footer PFs in NBA


    While we are at it, might as well upgrade Harden to a future HOF, 5 chips, MVP, Final MVP's, scoring champ, Top 5 player of all time, and current scoring leader.

    Guess what? I just upgraded in EVERY SINGLE position, and they are definitely upgrade!

    WOW! I love this team.^^
     
  5. Knickskiller

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    You guys suggesting we go Coach Sampson Gangam Style?
     
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    :cool:
     
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    The thing I don't like about Anderson is that his to dependent on his jump shot. Take that away and he doesn't have much else to go on.

    Personally, I would prefer to develop our own talent D-Mo and T-Jones. Then trade for Anderson, if a trade were available.
     
  8. Viola

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    Asik has been BENCHED more than Lin in the 4th Q. I would rather trade Omer Asik than Jeremy Lin.
     
  9. Viola

    Viola Member

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    Very true. Jeremy Lin is a Dragon hidden in Morey's pants.
     
  10. Viola

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    LMFAO!!!
     
  11. PureElement

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    The NBA isn't like the Olympics. You don't have a near infinite amount of talent AND players who can complement each other. You have a limited amount of options. And when that happens, what is more value in the market? Its talent. So you always try to obtain the most talent, and then when you've found 4-5 championship caliber pieces, you target role players to solve deficiencies.

    Best way to build around Harden? Get another big time talent.
     
  12. valorita

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    The counter arguement is that you cant just get any talent... For example new york would be in a much better position if they just had melo and chandler without amare and his contract. Yes, we need talent, you cant win in the league without it. However unless that talent is a Lebron/Wade or KD/RW type where talent is supreme, you have to really careful who you put next to Harden unless you want to end up like NYK.
    If you can get a top10 player, then it doesnt matter. But those are really hard to get, so, if you have to choose between a top 20 player who is a bad fit vs top 25 player who complements your best player, you have to seriously consider the latter.
    We have been devoid of franchise talent for so long that a lot of us fans are stuck in the lower class team of the nba mode still. Since we now have a true cornerstone, we need to shift our paradigm and think more like an upper echelon team.
     
  13. Rocketaggie89

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    Starting lineup next year of:

    Bledsoe
    Harden
    Iguodala
    Love
    Asik

    Profit :eek:
     
  14. Yao4REAL

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    Marcus Morris twin brother is w/ the Suns...is there a way to get him also?? He's pretty good. It'll be cool to have him on the court with both brothers playing just to confuse opponents. They're not going to be able to identify which one to guard lol.
     
  15. Billionzz

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    It's funny that you made this post before the Cleveland game. Do you think he is a game changer now?
     
  16. dragonz

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    annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we will have a Tmac era 2.0, we can ride on Harden to first round exist 'til his back breaks.
     
  17. dragonz

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    Yes, only because NYK lost miserably with those 2 together, we are winning, not losing if you need some reminder.

    No GM will break up a winning team no matter how theoretically unfit it is.
     
  18. LLDD117

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    Zach Randolph will do!
     
  19. highlander3128

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    Hmmm.....

    Another cleverly disguised Lin bashing thread.

    Let me ask you how come Asik can learn and then improve, but Lin can't?

    Go figure.
     
  20. kuku

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    This is not how NBA always works. Look at Lakers:
    - Best Center in NBA
    - Best SG in NBA
    - Top 5 PG
    - One of the best defenders at SF who can knock down 3's
    - A skilled 7 footer at PF

    Theoretically Lakers should have a 65+ win season. What's their record again? Below .500??

    Rockets do not need scoring. They are already among top in the league. They need defense. Millsap is an undersized 6-8 PF, who will get abused by players like Griffin, Duncan, or Gasol 1-on-1 at low post. Defensively Conley isn't much of an upgrade.

    If anything, I see us losing more games while this new roster develop chemistry. IF (a big IF) the chemistry does develop, maybe you can come up with more of your genius "slight upgrade" suggestions and we can start all over again.
     

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