Exactly, thank you. I don't know why some people make a big deal about turnovers without first looking at how they occurred. A few posters talked about turnovers in another thread and I actually tried to explain it in a similar but lengthier way to the one moron on this forum (I think we all know who it is) about how they occur. For me, I think turnovers are generally forgiveable, within normal limits, if it's due to someone taking a good risk and, as roxxy said, "trying to make something happen" for the team. If anyone looks at the stats, players that turn the ball over the most happen to be elite players in general. However, turnovers are not okay when they occur negligently such as in the way that you described how Fortson turns them over (LMAO - he does play hard though...just not intelligently).