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Beto vs Ted

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. DreamShook

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    Beto finally called Cruz Lying Ted.. Liberals with a collective cosmic orgasm.
     
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    Cruz is debating two people tonight
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Well when you gerrymander and suppress votes this can happen, need to fix that - there are a majority of this country on the left, time to vote them out.

    DD
     
  4. jcf

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    who are the Rich (income? passive wealth? high earners or high amassed wealth?) and what is their fair share?
     
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    He was born and raised in El Paso...he knows more about quality Mexican food than you could ever dream of knowing.
     
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  6. jcf

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    I thought they both performed well. I'm not sure it was enough to move the needle.
     
  7. BruceAndre

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    Isn't it condescending (at the very least), and possibly just flat erroneous, for anyone to think that they know someone's interests better than that person does?
     
  8. BruceAndre

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    Eh, maybe not after last night....
     
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    no better example of media bias than the attention/fawning profiles a relatively unaccomplished Beto gets versus McSally in AZ, John James in MI, or Josh Hawley in MO
     
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    Unaccomplished? I'm not sure how owning a tech company, becoming a city councilman, and then a United States Congressman doesn't qualify as being fairly accomplished.
     
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    I don't live in Arizona, Michigan, or Missouri... are these candidates ignored in those states? Seems Beto has captured both the attention of Texas media and broader national media as a result of his being an underdog in a very red state (where a Democrat hasn't won in 23 years) along with being young, personable, charismatic.

    Would any of this describe McSally, James or Hawley (honestly asking since I don't know anything about those candidates and the politics of where they are running)?
     
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    This is the part that gets me. "Their fair share". The majority of taxes are already paid by the wealthy.

    I go back to a conversation I had with my mom a tax season or two ago. My brother paid something like a 10% effective tax rate. Maybe made $40K, so ended up all in around $4K (federal). I was in 6 figures. I think I paid a higher rate. For this conversation, let's say 15% on $100K. So I paid in $15K.

    Moms was like "well, he technically paid more, because he makes less?"

    Me - "Mom, I literally paid a higher percentage of my income PLUS MORE ACTUAL DOLLARS!"

    Mom - "Yeah, but it FEELS like he's paying more."

    I don't think that people necessarily actually look at the dollars and just think that rich people don't pay enough. That must be how they keep their wealth. Not to mention, often people define wealth differently (some people have a lot of wealth, but low annual incomes).

    My 2 cents.
     
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    Sure, but was he earning $200k per year as a 3-year-old? Sounds low energy.
     
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    very convenient. now it's corporate greed is bad instead of corporations are bad. get your story straight comrade.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Both are bad for a stable society, nice try deflecting.

    Corporate tax cuts are uneccessary - the money only goes back towards buy backs of their stock so they can issue more to upper management.

    Which was proven in this last THEFT/Tax cut by the right.

    A higher corporate tax rate allows a greater distribution of wealth for a healthier society.

    Eisenhower new this, I like IKE !

    DD
     
  16. ipaman

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    no one has an issue with corporate taxes, it's very universal that folks hate the tax avoidance schemes they employ. but to say corporations ruin our country is ludicrous. go to a country with no enterprise, no corporate landscape, and I'll show you a 3rd world country.
     
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    This is true. What people fail to understand is that the poor not only don't pay any taxes, they are given money they didn't pay in so they are nothing but a drag on the system. At the same time, the wealthy pay nearly all of the taxes already but you'll always hear about how they don't pay enough. There's a segment of the population that believes that if you punish wealthy people enough for their success that it'll somehow make poor people less poor.....when in reality it'll do exactly the opposite.
     
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  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Corporate tax rates are too low, the loop holes the republicans allow to avoid paying taxes must be stopped.....the Rich people need to pay a higher percentage of taxes.

    We need to stop dicking around and wallowing in debt, the Republcans are bankrupting this country....

    Cut Military spending, put the tax rate back to where it belongs - and start building infastructure in this country....

    We don't need to be wasting money on an uneccessary military......we need a standing army, sure, but not one that projects like it does.

    57 cents of every tax dollar collected goes to the miltary, now THAT is a socialist consctruct.

    DD
     
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    This is the problem when stupid people try to talk about things they don't understand. The 2018 budget was $4.094 trillion, the military budget was right at $622 billion.

    Now, it doesn't matter where you went to school, 622 billion is not 57% of 4 trillion.....and yet we still have to deal with stupid statements like the one I quoted.
     
  20. Air Langhi

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    Except the new tax cuts won't really change your income that much like maybe 1-2k.
     

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