Comparing the USA to an Arab country is such a joke, I almost don't want to address. Face it, you've quit being an American because things don't work. They don't work because of people like yourself who quit a long time ago.
You do not understand why I brought up Arab Spring at all, it is not comparing the US to middle East. It is showing you an example of people having a dream and have that dream crushed by reality. I am sure Obama had dreams of national health care system, but he was practical enough to go for Obama care, why? Because current US reality only allow Obama Care, and that took huge efforts and costed the Democrats control of both the House and Senate.
thanks for clarify but i did understand your point. my point is that the USA is not as dream/soul crushing as an Arab country. not even close.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/ber...hing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you/ Unconvinced by the "I get s**t done" illusion from Hillary. Bernie has a record of passing meaningful bipartisan legislation that far outpaces H's admittedly short legislative career. Bernie isn't pie in the sky as people paint him. He gets s**t done. Whether or not he will continue to do so is an open question, but nobody should rest easy on Hillary's framing of the debate. I would actually much prefer Sanders' record if I was a pragmatic progressive interested in working with the Republican party.
Is somebody that won't even try to fix things really better than somebody that will try but may fail? And even if his big plans don't work (free healthcare and tuition) there are still things that he can get done.
The Repubs in congress refused to work with Obama. Their entire mission was to brick wall his presidency and hope he wouldn't be re-elected to a second term. That was the entire mission of the republicans. Refuse to give an inch to Obama (a man elected by the majority of Americans). They used the nuclear option and now Citizens are using theirs. It's the American people who don't give a **** anymore about compromise. They see compromise as weak because of the lack of anything productive going through congress. Time for extreme measures.
Bernie Sanders will be an extremely ineffective President if he wins the election and will be a disaster on foreign policy. He will not be able to pass any meaningful legislation if elected. Also we do not need free college, too many people go to college as it is. College isn't for everyone and honestly is an expense that is not needed for many jobs. The only way I would support free college would be if it was very competitive to get the spots. Long term there will probably be universal healthcare, but it will be after old man Bernie is gone.
When you say American people, do you mean the half that support Ted Cruz and Donald Trump as well? If you think Republicans blocked Obama, i can only imagine what they would do to Sanders if he is elected, a self proclaimed socialist.
Don't forget Bernie's record of being head of an major executive department, which is nonexistent. Maybe he'd be good at it though - who knows? I I've said this before, Bernie is proposing a legislative program that is probably even more ambitious than LBJ's, with: 1. Not even a paltry resemblance to LBJ as a legislator - the undisputed contemporary master of the senate who literally could not be more different from Sanders, both stylistically and in terms of command. 2. Nothing even remotely close to the unity/mandate inspired by the economic growth & the JFK assassination that led to LBJ's 1963-65 high point 3. A legislative & judicial arm and an opposition party that has changed drastically to the point where it is basically unrecognizable in terms of its recalcitrance and backed by nearly unlimited sums of capital. Basically, he is proposing to do something many times more difficult than LBJ did, with nothing close to his abilities or resources. Good luck Bernie with your revolution.
A lot of good posts this morning. I'm with you. The system has been rigged for the rich and powerful to control what gets done in this country for too long. For example, the Koch brothers and their 100 multimillionaire friends have earmarked $900 million to be used in this year's elections (top to bottom). That buys a lot of influence. That particular group from the right hates Trump because they think he is not one of them and must therefore be stopped by all legal means necessary. The people who are voting for Trump and Sanders are giving their middle finger to the status quo, through their vote. Let's hope that these two can last as long as they can, and that one will eventually prevail in defeating the establishment.
I view it as closer to FDR and the reason FDR was able to do what he did was a severe depression, a legendary war and a willingness to put black and white morality aside; that I do not think Bernie has the ability to do.
If Bernie wins the presidency that is an incredible mandate. One that can't be ignored and that will send ripples through the entire word. I imagine that energy will ripple through the mid term elections as well. Bernie winning is a hail mary and if he does things will drastically change even if it's panic from Wallstreet. **** it, let it all come crashing down. The people will have spoken.
Campaign in poetry and govern in prose. I suspect Hillary Clinton will do the same if she were elected. I don't know if Barack managed to "stem the tide of oceans", but he sure was more effective with his executive actions, coming from a set of progressive principles I think is stronger (albeit slightly) from Hillary. The point is, people who want to knock Sanders down for not getting dirty and getting things done, well ironically, it's Hillary that is missing that experience and not Sanders. Sure, the legislative wing doesn't always correlate with the executive, but neither am I convinced that being appointed Secretary of State makes Hillary any better or more experienced at crafting bipartisan deals Bernie has made his career doing.
his bi-partisan record proves your speculation completely wrong. sure he might not get his most radical ideas 100% in place but he has shown that he can negotiate and drive to solutions.
The GOP has learned that the public will not hold them responsible for refusing to govern. Even without the obvious racial animus amongst the base for stopping the muslim, black, Kenyan agenda, I am sure the GOP fundies are gonna make any Democrat agenda, ambitious or not, seem near impossible to pass. Any Democrat who gets into office can probably expect near the same level of obstruction as Obama has seen. I can see FoXNews and conservative radio easily selling reasons for not working in good faith with either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. The test will be how long the public will just roll with it until they realize obstruction isn't a plan and that legislators should legislate; government should govern. In this context, I don't see rolling with something as "radical" as Sanders as being so far fetched. He might be able to pull public discussion further to the left.
so let me get this straight. bernie won't get anything done while hillary will get things that were paid for by lobbyists done. by that metric, bernie's potential inaction is WAY BETTER than the potential long term damage that Hillary can cause!!!
The best things Trump and Sanders have going for them is that they haven't a history of being puppets to lobbyists. We can probably add Cruz to that list, too. But he is a special kind of nut job who will do a very special kind of damage. Hell, Trump will likely be a bull in a china shop with his ego and bluster. Geez.
They'll just spin it in the echo chamber to be "President X never even tried to work with Congress!" If you never hear a counterpoint to the bull****, you don't know what else exists. You see the usual suspects on this forum make that very claim time and again despite evidence to the contrary, as if Congressional Republicans were begging to compromise with President Obama: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/W-A09a_gHJc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
You're right. McConnell said this publicly and on the record. And our press moved forward as if that agenda was never laid out before Obama even took the oath of office.
Clinton likely to get same number of delegates as Sanders from New Hampshire. Democrat party is not gonna let Sanders win.
