I don't expect Clinton to get a lot passed through a Republican Congress but she has two advantages over Sanders. The first is that her ideas aren't as broad reaching than Sanders and perhaps more importantly how she pays for them. I will give Sanders credit that he has detailed plans but the problem is how he pays for them is more controversial than the plans themselves so far more difficult to pass. The second part is that when dealing with Congress it isn't just the opposition party but also wrangling your own party. Remember Obama had a lot of trouble keeping more conservative Democrats in line with the ACA and stimulus. This is where Sanders being the outsider that really hurts him. Clinton though has been a loyal Democrat for decades who has helped to campaign and raise money for many. This again goes to my point that how likely Sanders can win over super delegates is really the same question of how likely his agenda would be. Many of the super delegates are precisely the people he will need to help implement his agenda.
Except Clinton conceded and suspended her campaign on June 7, 2008 and endorsed Obama while the 2008 Democratic convention wasn't until August 25, 2008. Further Clinton was far closer in pledged delegates to Obama in 2008 than Sanders is to Clinton. Also Clinton had more popular votes than Obama while Sanders still lags behind by about 3 mil. votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2008 This fits into a pattern of misstatements of history that I've seen from Sanders supporters and is one of the reasons why I think there is such a skewed view of both Sanders prospects and negativity towards Clinton. Yes there are substantive differences between Clinton and Sanders and that is what elections are for. This is probably a debate for another thread but I would challenge how much increasing inequality has happened under Obama compared to 8 years prior. Anyway this race has largely been decided in Clinton favor. Sanders supporters are under no obligation to support Clinton but I would hope they would consider how different Trump compared to what they believe in. While Trump isn't part of the establishment (which apparently is anyone who doesn't love Sanders) but I would question how much a billionaire who brags about how he games the system is a friend to the values that Sanders upholds.
Hillary is running as the candidate of incremental change and realism - the Obama continued candidate. Her tools will be the executive order and perhaps, given the Reckoning that is facing the GOP - maybe even a hint of bipartisanship. Sanders is the "Revolution or bust" candidate. That's his brand. If he resorts to small changes via administrative action he has by default immediately betrayed his constituency, if he even beats Trump to begin with. And his chance of forging any kind of deal are nil. Not that any of this makes a difference of course. Sanders isn't going to get the nomination so who cares?
Bernie has no idea what he is talking about. That is the big "issue" - perhaps one he should add to his website.
So again....what is that you are disputing here? Are you disputing this country has infrastructure needs?
What you call "details", I call you simply being clueless and unaware of reality. LOL. So he's "gaining", except of course for all the recent primaries where he has not been gaining. And he's "gaining", except that she's winning more states, more delegates, and more voters. For some reason, this means Bernie is doing well - apparently simply because you expected to do horribly and he's doing less bad than you thought he would. I no longer need to qualify my statements with "if you really believe this stuff". You are, indeed, just stupid.
Bernie doesn't have to back out, and Bernie's supporters don't have to switch to Hillary. I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm not switching. But Bernie's message right now shouldn't be about he's going to try for a contested convention based on the fact that unless Hillary secures the nomination through pledged delegates alone. He could simply focus on the issues he's been so good at championing and putting forward, and say that any talk of that is off issue right now, and that his campaign is about the issues, and so that's what he'll talk about. That's all he has to do.
Well Bernie is still focusing on his issues, which is pretty clear at least to his supporters. Given the great difference between Bernie's positions and the status quo Clinton-Obama era Bernie is right to fight on for at least the leverage to shake up things so we do not waste a total of 24 years through the administrations of the two Clintons and Obama from a progressive and inequality point of view. In addition Bernie is rightfully focused on the fact that he has a better chance of beating Trump than Hillary per virtually all the polls as he does much better than Hillary does among independents. The elite insiders in the DNC, and corporate Dems seem primarily concerned with social issues that effect their family and friends also, rather than the severe economic issues of other Americans. These controllers of the Dem Party may very well prefer to lose to Trump than have Bernie upset their control of the Dem Party.
My wife is attending classes at HCC. She's older than most of the students. There's one kid, about 20, she likes talking to him. Bernie supporter, unlike us (Hillary supporters). Why does he like Bernie? "Free tuition." (sigh) No wonder these kids worship him. "The Revolution" (dear God, help me) and free tuition must sound pretty cool. Since neither The Revolution nor free tuition are going to happen, and Bernie has no real plan he wants to share with us (well, raising taxes a lot; but we can trust the government to spend our money wisely, right?).....no, count me out. As for glynch, I would admire your zeal but you're blinding yourself. Saying that "New York was a blip" and "Bernie is gaining" is like a Mexican falling in love with Trump today thanks to his tweet "I love Hispanics!" while eating a taco bowl.
You know what else sounds cool--a carbon tax unanimously supported by economists, a healthcare program that addresses the number one reason most Americans go bankrupt, and a total rejection of Clinton-era banking rules that guarantee massive financial problems in the near future. People need to get off this trope that support for Bernie's ideas are "the young people" voting for their self-interest. Half the Valley loves him, and he's threatening everybody's livelihood here with his proposed cap gains increases, and his higher-tier tax increases. We're talking about some of the biggest taxpayers in America voting against their tax interests. Maybe it's because they've spent the time reading through or at least skimming through different policy papers, rather than yelling at the youngins to get off the lawn.
Never trust a poll 6 months out. Here are two late in the game pieces by Slate on Bernie's vulnerabilities in a national election: By our own cc.net alum on his proposals being not as popular once they're fleshed out: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...lectable_than_hillary_don_t_believe_them.html And another on the kind of dirt that would be thrown about: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.html Remember the heat Obama got for belonging to Wright's church? Now imagine a clip of Sanders with the Sandinistas, or as president of an organization that wanted to nationalize the press. Might warm glynch's heart, but probably not resonate quite so well with many more voters. Hillary's only attack on him was that he was unrealistic or couldn't deliver. GOP won't be so kind. Moot anyways, and hopefully nothing the GOP does can trump their candidate's impending doom, but Sanders would have been a very risky candidate.
That is my view as well. I have people around me that are democrats that voted for Bill and Obama but tossed Sanders aside because he is "socialist", these people are not even conservatives. Socialist just turns off many Americans, that is just the way things are in this country.
Sorry to go all "Major" with a love of details, , but there is no evidence that Trump ate one bite of that taco bowl. Just saying.
The rich also vote based on the government giving them things. The Walton, Kochs and other billionaires vote for president on such issues, as reducing inheritance taxes, (estimated at tens of billions for the six Walton heirs ) they want free roads, ports, airports, employees with educationally required skills, sustained by food stamps and welfare, a navy to protect the shipping lanes etc. etc. all paid for by ordinary Americans. SIGH SIGH SIGH,
This argument both as a criticism or a praise of Sanders is wrong. He's never offered free tuition as it will be paid for by new taxes. To Sanders' credit he has laid out how he pays for his program but as I keep on saying how he pays for it is more controversial than the program itself.
If you're brave enough, take a deep look into the wretched, wretched world of Bernie supporters: https://imgur.com/rB3SOYg
