Ayn Rand (and Ron Paul) Madde This Nation More Selfish

U madde, bro?

 

glynch, you dont have any credibility when talking about ron paul and his economic issues. you told me that if i "like conservative GOP economics he is your guy". this statement alone renders invalid everything you have to say about paul.

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and again, i find it bizarre when people who want to criticize paul and his policies focus on picking apart the works of a fictional writer. paul has literally thousands and thousands of pages of writings in the form of weekly essays, editorials and ny times best selling books - but you want to make it about ayn rand?

 

And when confronted by his absolute bat**** crazy idiocy that forms the core of his belief system of fantastical sci-fi level deregulation to return to the gilded Age, iike abolition of federal securities laws, antitrust laws, labor laws, uh....taxes, civil rights laws....

...the more casual warm and fuzzy Paulistas (those that don't sputter on about "fiat money" and promise hyperinflation every year with the burning, shining fleck of the ORE, sparkling in their wild eyes...) tend to pretend like his whole deal is about legalizing drugs and limiting TSA body scans.

But you're right, no point in focusing on his progeny's namesake, some long-dead manhattan parlor con-artist of midcentury, probably more notable for keeping ALan Greenspan in a gimp mask in her basement than anything else, than any of her unreadable greed-p*rn "novels" - Paul says more than enough utterly asinine things on his own which show why he's not up to snuff. Or as I put it: Flat-out stupid.

 

Ron Paul is a mixed bag, completely unhinged on some issues, but he would scale back the war on our civil liberties and he would scale back our war industry. On those two things, it would almost be worth seeing him get elected. Almost.

 

its not for lack of trying...

here are two good bills that should have gotten more support.

paul and barney frank proposed a bill to cut the pentagons budget by 1 trillion over the next 10 years. where were the democrats and your nobel peace price winning obama on this? and the fact that paul was able to work w/ a gay democrat from taxachusetts speaks volumes about his ability to work w/ people from the other side of the aisle. i would think we would want people like that.

paul has proposed legislation to audit the federal reserve. even if you dont subscribe to his call to end the fed, i think most can agree that congress should have some kind of oversight over them.

paul has proposed scores of legislation. here are some that i think most of us can get behind...

Constitutional War Powers Resolution of 2001. H.J.Res. 27, 2001-03-06. Repeals the 1973 War Powers Resolution entirely, prohibiting presidents from initiating a war without a formal declaration of war by Congress.[3]

Iraq Resolution declaration of war. Motion in re H.J.Res. 114, 2002-10-02. In order to prevent Congress from yielding its Constitutional authority to declare war to the executive branch, which does not Constitutionally hold that power, gives Congress the opportunity to declare war on Iraq, rather than merely "authorizing" the president to deploy forces without a declaration of war.[4] Paul said that he would not vote for his own motion, but that if his fellow members of Congress wished to go to war in Iraq, they should follow the Constitution and declare war.

Police Security Protection Act. H.R. 3304, 2007-08-01, originally H.R. 1410, 1997-04-23 (Law Officer's Armor Vest Tax Credit Act of 1997). Creates tax credit for law enforcement officers who purchase armor vests.

Anti-Terrorism Act of 2007. H.R. 3305, 2007-08-01, originally H.R. 2896, 2001-09-14. Proposed immediately after the September 11, 2001, attacks, permits pilots and navigators of aircraft, and law enforcement personnel detailed to aircraft, to carry firearms.

Marriage Protection Act of 2007. H.R. 724, 2007-01-30, originally H.R. 3313, 2003-10-16 (cosponsor). To limit Federal court jurisdiction over questions under the Defense of Marriage Act. Explicitly permits states to continue making a public-policy exception when deciding the status of same-sex relationships independently of the decisions of other states, as states have in fact been permitted to do in the case of incestuous marriages.[69]

Medical mar1juana Patient Protection Act. H.R. 5842, 2008-04-17, cosponsored since H.R. 2592, 2001-07-23 (States' Rights to Medical mar1juana Act). Protects authorized medical mar1juana patients and protects state-legal farmers against federal raids. Lets states choose their own stances on medical mar1juana regulations, and permits further study, regulation, and use by reclassifying the plant medically.

Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2009. H.R. 1866, 2009-04-02, originally H.R. 3037, 2005-06-22. Excludes industrial hemp from the definition of marihuana for Controlled Substances Act purposes, thereby giving the states the power to regulate and permit farming of hemp. The measure would be a first since the national prohibition of industrial hemp farming in the United States. Paul joined prominent liberal Democrats in urging this proposal. He contends that it would help North Dakota and other agriculture states, where farmers have requested the ability to farm hemp for years.[70] The Economist wrote that his support for hemp farming could appeal to farmers in Iowa.[71]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_sponsored_by_Ron_Paul

 

the rest of your post is glynch-esque rambling nonsense that isnt even worth addressing, but you do know that his birth name is "randall paul", right?

 

you are the one going around saying that if i like mainstream GOP economics than ron paul is my guy. how can anyone take you seriously when you say that?

 

I find this hard to believe, isn't Paul a ridiculously hard-ass constitutionalist?

 

Of course it's not worth addressing - you would be placed in the unenviable position of explaining why we should repeal antitrust laws, securities laws, civil rights laws, income tax.....

...not only (1) is this beyond your depth, but (2) since you're one of those "i'm just into paul for the pot and the quicker airport security" libertarians, it's probably not what you think should happen.

So I'll leave that to the true believer idiots like (Ayn) Rand Paul. I must warn you though, you're losing capital-L Libertarian bona fides with your recalcitrant stance against anarcho-plutocracy. Get with your fellow libertarian Koch brothers - pollution is the solution, not the problem.

 

Hey dumbasses:


Randal Howard Paul[6] was born on January 7, 1963 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to Carol Wells Paul and Ron Paul. Paul's father is a physician and U.S. Representative of Texas's 14th congressional district. The middle child of five, his siblings are Ronald "Ronnie" Paul Jr., Lori Paul Pyeatt, Robert Paul and Joy Paul-LeBlanc.[7] Paul was baptized in the Episcopal Church[8] and identified as a practicing Christian as a teenager.[9] Despite his father's libertarian views and strong support for individual rights,[9][10] the novelist Ayn Rand was not the inspiration for Paul's first name; he went by "Randy" while growing up.[11] His wife shortened his name to "Rand".[9][12][13]

 

The audit of the Federal Reserve passed, albeit it was amended to be a limited audit and Ron Paul didn't vote for it. The point is, there wouldn't have been an audit if Ron Paul didn't amass bipartisan support for his bill.

 

Of course none of those pesky policy positions of Paul's are worth discussing! Let's focus on foreign policy and talk about how bad we have it now instead.

What a surprise.

 

Paul (imo) interprets the constitution as some interpret the bible, literally and immutably; as opposed to those who view the constitution as a living document that evolves to fit modernity; understanding that some of it is in need of re-interpretation for changing times, rather than frozen in time.

 

Your responses to this reminds me a lot of this:



Partisan non-sense.

 

Although he'd probably be the first to admit that it should be amended.

 

and then a bunch of idiots would have bleated and blathered on about fiat money and zimbabwe and hyperinflation and other matters of no tangible relevance to actual problems.

Oh wait, they do that anyway. Never mind. Guess he was successful after all.

 

That would be better than having idiots like you turn a blind eye to the Federal Reserve purposefully debasing our currency to bailout foreign governments who've maintained a terrible fiscal policy for decades.

Oh wait, you do that anyway.

 

Yep, here's that debased currency:



Look at all that debasement! It's' debasing its way all the way to lower inflation (due to liquidity trap economics, which you must have slept through at T-Tech, though I doubt they even offer it..).

Anyway, the problem for you is that it's pretty much the exact opposite of what the hard money clown car has predicted, predicts now, and will continue to predict forever unto the future no matter how stupid they look.....Maybe you can all move to Zimbabwe for retirement?

This type of ignornance is why Peter Schiff is so bad at money managin.