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Athleticism and Shot Blocking Concerns in our Front Court

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Ketchup&Mustard, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. Ketchup&Mustard

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    Do we have enough athleticism and shot blocking in the front court if we don't land a big name FA?

    As of now, our big men that see PT are Yao, Anderson, Scola, Hayes, Hill, and now possibly Brad Miller (PatPat will see some time, but who knows how much with such a crowded rotation in the front court). Yao blocks and changes shots when he's on the court, but how much of the court will he see next season? There's question marks surrounding his immediate efficacy after coming off foot surgery and will likely have substantially reduced minutes. Yao's also far from being considered athletic.

    As for Scola, Hayes, Anderson, and Miller? They can get about as high off the ground as Woody Harrelson. Don't get me wrong though. I love their game (well not Anderson's of course. He sucks). They make up for a lot of their athletic deficiencies with hustle, charges, offensive rebounds, etc., but there comes a point when one has to realize that "Hoosiers" basketball alone won't get it done in the NBA. A team has to have some PROVEN, god given athletic talent to take them to the next level.

    So who does that leave?
    Two UNPROVEN athletically gifted players. Jordan Hill and Patrick Patterson. Morey stated long ago that he would try to replace Landry in this year's draft, and then chose Patterson. So, it's obvious he recognizes the need for some front court athleticism. However, we have no idea if he will pan out or not and likely won't see substantial minutes unless trades and/or injuries give him more time in the rotation. Hill was a strong shot blocker and solid defender in college, but other than a handful of promising flashes last season is also unproven. And we know the risks all too well when you're dealing with unproven athletic talent. See Stromile Swift and Gerald Green. Plus, who knows if Hill will even be a Rocket next year? That's not to say that one or both of these players could turn out to be exactly what we need, but it is a roll of the dice...

    That being said, maybe it's not the most prudent decision to go after Brad Miller. He's a solid back up center in most scenarios, but on our team his skill set is somewhat redundant. What's not redundant on our team, however, is his position. Our lack of depth at center is pretty glaring, so we need a decent back up center one way or another. Maybe we should look for a defensive specialist to give us a spark off the bench (yeah yeah, chuck hayes, but Hakeem and Bill Russell didn't win titles by taking charges). Who ever it is we could use some shot blocking. Shane Battier led the team in blocks last year for god's sake. Check out Team and Opponent Stats, and then look at the block disparity compared to all other categories. Then look at it in 08'-09' with Yao in the lineup. It's still terrible.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2010.html



    So, basically we're likely to get limited shot blocking with an uncertain Yao, a potentially explosive defensive talent with Hill, and an unproven athletic rookie with Patterson. What do you all think? Do we have enough athleticism in our front court or should we scrap the Brad Miller idea for someone who meets these needs? And if so, who do you think might be a reasonable target?
     
  2. Old Man Rock

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    We don't... not really but Yao is a difference maker in the paint. ANd while he doesn't get blocks he probably leads the league in altering shots. I think we will be okay plus PP will help some there as well as Jordan Hill.

    We will be much better than last year and still better than 2 years ago when we did okay.
     
  3. Ketchup&Mustard

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    I agree. I don't think we have quite as much shot blocking as we want in the front court, but if Yao is playing in his old form and JHill steps up this year, we'll make due.

    Do you think we should try to get a more athletic back up center over Miller?
     
  4. Artie_Fufkin

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    More athletic than Miller? No one comes to mind. :grin:
     
  5. mms

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    Isn't the front office trying to address this issue by getting Bosh? What's the point? If we dont get Bosh, we have to live with what we have.
     
  6. Ketchup&Mustard

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    Ha let me rephrase that. Do you think we should try to get an athletic back up center instead of Miller?
     
  7. Ketchup&Mustard

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    What? who says we have to live with what we have?
     
  8. Raiden87

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    Brendon Haywood anyone?
     
  9. mms

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    Yao's Athleticism and shot blocking aint getting better. If there is no Bosh, you play Scola/PP/Hill. Oh, I consider AS the same story as Bosh.
     
  10. HI Mana

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    I remember that Morey once talked about how the accumulation of any kind of stat is inherently selfish, and there are few stats I can think of that are as overrated and selfish as blocks in the modern NBA. Keep in mind that it's literally the ONLY stat in the boxscore that does not contribute to the team either scoring, or having more possessions to score; it's the RBI of basketball, a stat that largely does not contribute to winning or losing.

    I have nothing to back this up, but with the type of player Morey has targeted in the past, defensive positioning is far more valued, and with the way Daryl loves his custom stat of "True Assists", I would think that the scouts give credit to a player for playing good defense if they do everything right, regardless of whether they get the stop or not; in this case, whether a shot gets blocked or not, they'll mark down a good defensive possession.

    I fully believe that if Yao can play significant minutes (think Andrew Bynum in the playoffs), he'll instantly make the defense bigger simply because he eats up tons of space, and closes driving and passing lanes, even if he can't block shots.

    I have a ton of hope for Jordan Hill as well. Having a full training camp to learn the rotations, a summer to get more used to banging against bigger bodies, and I think he can be more than good enough to be the backup center against most teams.
     
  11. Ketchup&Mustard

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    That's what I'm sayin. If there's no Bosh should we go after another player (FA or not) that fills our specific need, as opposed to a non-athletic, non-shot blocking Brad Miller?
     
  12. mms

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    There are few to none good candidates.
     
  13. Ketchup&Mustard

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    Sure there are. Morey could bring someone in from overseas on the cheap perhaps. I mean pretty much anyone would be better than Miller. Javale Mcgee, Jermaine O'Neal, Serge Ibaka, James Thompson, Louis Amundsun, etc.
     
  14. jump shooter

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    Good Post.
     
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    Well, give us a couple names. Don't just say we should go after someone and not provide examples. Oh and be sure they would be willing to sign for no more than the MLE.
     
  16. ericdwj

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    I'm in total agreement with you, he would be the perfect backup for Yao.
     
  17. jump shooter

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    If you really think about it, having Mutombo backing up Yao several years was a huge luxury especially against the bigger teams. If the team can get an extra rim protector, players like Ariza, Battier and Lowry all become better on the ball defenders. Yao will make a big difference, but all depends on that left foot.
     
  18. wnes

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    I don't see how blocking shots can be seen as "selfish" by a defensive player, but I do agree blocks are the one stats that have little to do with a team's defensive prowess.

    See Houston Rockets' blocks ranking and defensive rating in the last 9 seasons:
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    season   BlkRk DefRtg
    09-10	   26	  17
    08-09	   24	   4
    07-08	    8	   2
    06-07	   23	   3
    05-06	   23	   6
    04-05	   16	   4
    03-04	    8	   5
    02-03	    5	  14
    01-02	   14	  29
    
    Here's another example, in 2008-09, Golden State Warriors had the most blocks (527) in the league (Rockets had only 355), but Warriors' defense was rated near rock bottom (28th).
     
  19. Big MAK

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    Agreed. We need someone who wont suck because they will get starter minutes. B Miller, while I dislike him, would be fine if Yao was able to play 30mpg, but I doubt they will want Yao to play more than 20-24. That means Yao will be on the bench for half, or more than half, the game. We need someone who can be a starter on subpar teams.
     
  20. mrjohn

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    Trade for Thabeet!!!!!
    This guy would be the perfect back-up for Yao.
    I'd give them Taylor, Hayes and Anderson plus a future 1st rounder (not NY's). And bring in B-Miller.

    Rotation:

    Brooks/Lowry
    Martin/Bud
    Ariza/Battier
    Scola/Hill/Patterson
    Yao/Thabeet/Miller

    Maybe get a combo guard and that's a true contender to me. Who thinks not?
     

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