As of right now, is Lin one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA?

40th in PER among PGs:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

 

I'm not Lin hater, but I think it's fair to say he's been slumping all year. It's pretty clear what happened. Les told Morey to get Lin. Morey had to overpay to get him. Now we're stuck with a guy whose best attribute is that he can do no wrong according to 1.5 billion Asians.

 

He's definitely about the worst three point shooter outside of Rondo and he's not exactly very good defensively.

 

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You know the funny thing about this poll? It has a definitive, conclusive answer.

That answer is "No, he is not the worst starting PG in the NBA, not even in the bottom tier".

You know why the answer is so definitive? Stats - better than the eye tests in all cases.

There are 168 shooting and point guards in the NBA that has played at least 1 minute this season.

Let's pick a metric:

FG% - .425% - 51st among all guards (shooting and point guards)
TRB - 162 - 12th among all guards
AST - 257 - 12th among all guards
STL - 84 - 3rd among all guards (3rd in the NBA overall)
BLK - 15 - Tied for 13th among all guards
PTS - 513 - 35th among all guards

PTS/G - 12.3 - 53rd among all guards
AST/G - 6.1 - 15th in the NBA
STL/G - 2.0 - 3rd in the NBA

Advance Stats, 96 Shooting + Point Guards averaging 20 or more mins a game. Of those Lin ranks:

PER - 13.8 - 55th among all guards
Win Share - 2.1 - 43rd among all guards
eFG% - .465% - 68th among all guards

All data from Basketball-Reference.com and the data is very clear. There are a few things that Lin excels at - AST, REB, STL. But he is not scoring. Scoring is the single most important thing a player can do on the court and he isn't do that at a high enough clip. So all the efficiency stats, which is based on PTS is going to show that Lin is a an average guard in the NBA right now. That is a statement that I agree with. To repeat, Lin with all his strengths and weaknesses, he is at this moment in time, an average NBA point guard.

Really, the poll question is do you not want Jeremy Lin on this team, or Do you hate Jeremy Lin.

That's what people are answering here. So let's just be truthful about that.

 

Wow...

 

You talk about stats, 55th in PER and you say he's average? LOL. Okay...

 

No because he actually is good. If only he can do AND will do what he actually does best. But maybe this is for the best of his development. Like I said before, the guy can money mid-range and dribble shots, draw fouls, and drive to the rim all day. But he does LITTLE TO NONE of them. He also have great court vision. But right now, in his past few games, instead of picking his poison, he either defers the ball EVEN when his teamates are ice-cold or attempts a spot up 3. To make things worst, he's doing careless turnovers and instead of putting up a semi-contested shot, he attempts a contested pass (which is worst). He's following too much of McHale's philosophy which could be good development for him in the long run. But right now, it's definitely turning him useless in the offense.

 

28 PGs qualified for this comparison (at least 200 minutes played, started 60% of games played).

Tm    Player              Age   G    GS   MPG     PER          WS/48         ASPM         xRAPM
POR   Damian Lillard      22    40   40   38.5    16.6 (13)    0.099 (15)    +0.6 (18)    -0.9 (20)
GSW   Stephen Curry       24    37   37   38.2    19.3 (7)     0.156 (6)     +3.3 (6)     +4.1 (3)
PHI   Jrue Holiday        22    36   36   38.1    19.6 (6)     0.097 (18)    +2.2 (7)     +0.5 (14)
BOS   Rajon Rondo         26    35   35   37.1    18.4 (9)     0.110 (11)    +2.2 (8)     +1.5 (9)
MIL   Brandon Jennings    23    39   39   37.1    17.3 (11)    0.109 (14)    +1.6 (11)    -1.2 (22)
BRK   Deron Williams      28    39   39   36.6    18.1 (10)    0.143 (7)     +1.8 (10)    +0.3 (15)
OKC   Russell Westbrook   24    41   41   36.4    23.8 (2)     0.196 (3)     +5.8 (2)     +3.1 (5)
CLE   Kyrie Irving        20    31   31   35.6    21.7 (4)     0.129 (10)    +3.6 (4)     +1.3 (11)
ORL   Jameer Nelson       30    31   31   35.4    16.1 (18)    0.098 (17)    +1.1 (16)    +1.4 (10)
IND   George Hill         26    38   38   34.9    16.4 (16)    0.164 (5)     +2.2 (9)     +1.7 (8)
CHA   Kemba Walker        22    40   40   34.8    19.1 (8)     0.091 (20)    +1.5 (13)    -1.2 (22)
DEN   Ty Lawson           25    42   41   34.4    14.6 (22)    0.072 (25)    +0.2 (22)    +0.2 (16)
MEM   Mike Conley         25    38   38   34.4    16.6 (13)    0.143 (7)     +3.3 (5)     +4.4 (2)
NYK   Raymond Felton      28    28   28   33.7    15.2 (20)    0.050 (27)    -0.2 (24)    +0.9 (12)
LAC   Chris Paul          27    38   38   33.5    26.6 (1)     0.300 (1)     +7.9 (1)     +7.8 (1)
HOU   Jeremy Lin          24    42   42   33.5    13.9 (23)    0.071 (26)    +0.7 (17)    +2.0 (7)
LAL   Steve Nash          38    16   16   33.1    16.6 (13)    0.137 (9)     +0.5 (19)    +2.7 (6)
ATL   Jeff Teague         24    40   40   32.7    15.5 (19)    0.091 (20)    +0.5 (20)    +0.6 (13)
SAS   Tony Parker         30    41   41   32.6    22.8 (3)     0.210 (2)     +4.8 (3)     +3.5 (4)
PHO   Goran Dragic        26    39   39   32.2    17.2 (12)    0.110 (11)    +1.3 (14)    -0.2 (19)
DET   Brandon Knight      21    40   40   32.1    12.4 (26)    0.045 (28)    -1.8 (28)    -1.4 (26)
UTA   Mo Williams         30    24   24   31.4    15.2 (20)    0.079 (23)    -0.1 (23)    -3.3 (28)
DAL   Darren Collison     25    41   30   31.4    16.4 (16)    0.110 (11)    +1.1 (15)    -2.0 (27)
MIN   Luke Ridnour        31    37   37   31.1    13.6 (24)    0.099 (15)    +0.3 (21)    -1.2 (22)
TOR   Jose Calderon       31    41   26   28.1    19.8 (5)     0.165 (4)     +1.6 (12)    -0.1 (18)
CHI   Kirk Hinrich        32    34   34   27.8    9.5 (28)     0.073 (24)    -0.6 (26)    -1.2 (22)
WAS   A.J. Price          26    23   20   26.3    13.6 (24)    0.095 (19)    -0.7 (27)    -1.0 (21)
MIA   Mario Chalmers      26    38   38   25.9    12.2 (27)    0.086 (22)    -0.2 (25)    +0.0 (17)

 

There is no PG in McFail's "system"

 

He's pretty damn inconsistent, he can literally be really good and like absolutely atrocious, watching him do anything gives a heart attack

 

Linsanity has been dead hes more just Lin now

 

I'd say overall, not as of late, I'm talking about the Jeremy Lin that we've seen this season:

He's better than by either a lot or marginally...
1. Kemba Walker
2. Kirk Heinrich
3. Darren Collison
4. Brandon Knight
5. George Hill
6. Jeff Teague
7. Mario Chalmers
8. Ricky Rubio
9. Raymond Felton
10. Goran Dragic (The Goran Dragic this season is not the same Goran Dragic we saw last season)
11. Isaiah Thomas
12. Mo Williams

If anything Lin is middle of the pack. Now... the Lin we've been seeing recently? No doubt he's near dead last.

 

I'd say Mo Williams and Kemba Walker are better this season. Goran is slightly better in the stats category but his defense has really suffered this year. I agree with the others on the list, as all of them have also been inconsistent.

 

Lin hasn't been playing well at all lately, and I have been very open in my disappointment in Lin, but that's only because he's failing to live up to that contract he just got. He is definitely not "one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA".

I'd definitely say he's bottom half though or bottom 2/3's.

 

Here is a list of the starting point guards in the league:

Jeff Teague
Rondo
Deron Williams
Kemba Walker
Hinrich
Irving
Collison
Lawson
Knight
Curry
George Hill
Paul
Nash
Chalmers
Jennings
Rubio
Conley
Vasquez
Felton
Westbrook
Nelson
Holiday
Dragic
Lillard
Isaiah Thomas
Parker
Calderon
Mo Williams
Wall

I think that Lin is better than Mo Williams, Chalmers, and Hinrich.

He is about at the same level as a lot of those guys. He could possibly be in the bottom 5 of starting point guards (definitely not the bottom 5 of PGs in the league)

 

There's nothing wrong with Lin that a new coach wouldn't fix. McHale has been destroying his confidence all year by taking him out in crunch time whether he plays well or not. McHale has some bias from day 1 against him and I knew that if Beverley even played halfway decent that McHale would use it as an excuse to bench Lin. It looks like Lin is afraid to make a mistake or else he'll be benched - turns out he's right. The stats say he's averaging 12 pts., 6 assists, almost 4 rebounds and is 3rd in the NBA in steals. He plays his heart out on defense and is unselfish on offense. With stats like that why would the coach be so eager to bench him for someone who's played about 4 NBA games in his life?
A new coach is needed right away so that these young players can learn from someone who knows how to develop players not tear them down.

 

Nice post. Just wanted to mention those stats don't include defense (except for steals and rebounds). I would have to say he's above average defensively because most of the top point guards he has been very effective against.

 

A lot of these threads, (Is Harden not a legitimate scoring options, Is Patt the worst PF in the NBA, Is Parsons the answer at the position) come at very convenient times. No he is average right now while not being able to hit the broadside of a barn. Improve his outside shooting (fingers crossed next year) then he will be a lot better.

Lin hasn't even started in a full NBA season yet (67 starts) & he is average right now. How many other third year players in his situation can attest to that?

 

Lin is a good point guard.

McHale's coaching sucks.

Rockets need an interior post presence who can draw the defense inside freeing up Lin and Douglas on the
perimeter.

McHale needs to re-introduce Douglas into the rotation, because the 3 guard rotation isn't enough. Rockets need a 4 guard rotation like the Clippers. That will keep Harden and Lin rested and fresh.