Kobe has had more dominate years, a combination of being name to all-NBA and all-defensive teams. Shaq has never been named to the all-defensive team; Kobe has been named 9 times. next
100% wrong. What an irrelevant metric. Look at the defensive centers that have played concurrently with Shaq: Olajuwon, Robinson, Mutombo, Mourning, Ben Wallace, Garnett, Camby, Duncan, Howard Just because you think Shaq never made an all-defensive team (he actually made the 2nd team in 2003) doesn't mean he's a bad defender. That's like saying McGrady is a terrible playmaker and has poor court vision b/c he's never come close to leading the league in assists.
In 00-01 season, Kobe scored 28.5ppg while Shaq 28.7. Shaq will get more touches in first 3 quarters while it's all about Kobe in 4th. There's no clean cut #1 option IMHO.
Except Shaq was 3rd in MVP voting and Kobe 9th. So yeah there was a clear cut #1 guy. Also Shaq led in PER and Win Shares.
Shaq is a bad defender, just ask Dream (who school him), Pjax, SVG, Pat Riley, Alvin Gentry and Cavs' Brown. Shaq is incapable of defending the PNR
Since when do bad defenders make the NBA all-defensive team in any capacity? Also, Shaq put up solid numbers against Olajuwon. Does that mean Olajuwon was a bad defender? You can't win this argument.
OK, so in your opinion, MVP voting is what counts. In 02-03 and 03-04 seasons, Kobe had more MVP votings than Shaq, so that's Kobe's team right?
The clean cut #1 option is the guy that typically has 2-3 defenders on him. The guiy that draws the most defensive attention. The clear cut #2 option, no matter how many points he scores, is typically the guy that get's 1-1 coverage more, because the #1 guy is drawing in so much attention. At no time during the 3-peat was Kobe ever getting as much defensive attention as Shaq. That wasn't even the case in the 04 Finals when he got tons of 1-1 coverage, and couldn't exploit it. In the 86 Playoffs Bird only scored 1 more ppg than McHale. How silly is it to hear Boston fans try to argue that he and Bird were 1 and 1a?
Kobe is a better defender than Shaq. But the funny thing is, Shaq has more of a defensive impact than Kobe because he is a big. Notice how Battier's defense has slipped some this season now that there isn't a huge 7 footer blocking the paint?
coach Chuck Daley and the GM should get the credit---the weasel was but one of twelve players on the team. u make it sound like the Lakers win every year; ur wrong. Elgin Baylor, the HoF SF, never won a title. The Kobe/Shaq were teamed together for 3 years---never able to advance to the WC series, much less the Finals. Phil Jackson was the catalyst that enabled the Lakers to win the 3 rings. that is just stupid. using your ill logic these all-time greats' career meant nothing cos they play for winning teams Miken, Bill Russell, chamberlain, John Havlicik, Larry Bird, McHale, Jerry West, Magic Johnson, Kareem, etc.
No, he was the star player of the team. It's no coincidence that they went from potentially closing LA out in 88 to losing the series once he got hurt. That's like me saying give PJ and the GM the credit, for not trading Bynum like Kobe wanted and for stealing Gasol.
gotta be pretty ignorant to say the BIG mean better defense. Shaq has been too lazy on defense, absolutely refuse to defend to PNR
I didn't say better, I said more of a defensive impact. How much did Kobe's stellar defense matter when they played the Suns in two years, or when Boston beat them when Bynum was hurt and Gasol was playing soft? If you can't guard the paint and grab boards you won't win...period. Kobe is a better individual defender than Yao. Yao still has a bigger impact though.
In 2002-2003 and 2003-2004 you can say that Kobe was the better player on the team. He led the team in scoring and win shares as well those years.
Did you even watch the games? In 04 finals, Detroit decided to double Kobe and let Shaq go single coverage. And no team double Shaq unless he got the ball, he didn't get it in 4th quarter most of the time and he didn't get as much attention. In fact, he often did picks for Kobe in 4th quarter. If you are No.1 option, ain't you supposed to close the game. In crunch time, did Celtics let McHale and not Bird to have the ball in his hands?
