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Article on German Guilt and Support for Zionist Misdeeds

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  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Max Blumenthal is an American Jew who has written a very good book on contemporary Israel as it turns more repressive. Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel: Max Blumenthal .www.amazon.com

    Bluenthal recently spoke in Germany and had a much more hostile reception than in America. The article discusses the role of German guilt in their over support for Israel as it represses the Palestinians more and more. I think that we have seen on this forum what Blumenthal classifies a repackaging of the same pathology that led to the Holocaust "under the fog of Holocaust guilt."

    Some exerpts:

    The following interview was conducted in Berlin, Germany on November 13, 2014.

    Anna-Esther Younes    : Mr. Blumenthal, you had quite a turbulent stay in Germany. You and David Sheen, a journalist from Israel, came to speak about the atrocities committed in Gaza by the Israeli army this summer and Mr. Sheen came to talk about racism in Israel before, during and after the Gaza war. However, you were denied your first public speech at the Volksbühne due to an intervention by the Left Party (Die Linke) that stopped it from happening around 15 hours before the event was supposed to start. The allegations were that of “severe Israel hatred” and “Anti-Semitism”, which were ostensibly the reasons for some people in the Linke to stop both of you from speaking. Instead, you needed to give your talks in a small and crowded anti-war café nearby.

    At the same time you gave your talk, Neo-Nazis were allowed to march and protest less than a kilometer away at the center of Berlin, at Alexanderplatz. Furthermore, the MPs that invited you are now facing a public call with more than 500 signatories in just a few days for their exclusion from the Linke party. The Spiegel, the most internationally renown German magazine, ran an article by Sibylle Berg who writes: “Almost mischievously, I dare a Freudian analysis and of course it is completely speculative, but I want to suggest that the cause of their resentment is of a sexual nature. Let me guess: Inge and Annette, the left-wing ladies critical of Israel, once went on a holiday in Gaza.” The articles alludes to the idea that the women MPs are primarily interested in Palestine due to a sexualized interest in Palestinian men and their revolution. Did you expect this when you came to Germany?

    Max Blumenthal: Based on what I knew about Germany and its national pathology and its failure to really take the right lessons from its own history, I was hardly surprised by the reaction that I received for attempting to describe the situation in Israel-Palestine. For instance, I wasn’t surprised that there were attempts to shut my talks with David Sheen down. However, when I was so promiscuously described as an anti-Semite, including by gentile politicians like Volker Beck, and that this behavior was considered perfectly normal in German society, I have to admit to some level of shock.

    Are you calling us pathological?

    Max Blumenthal: Yes, this is a sick society that hasn’t addressed the core political and psychological and social trends that lead to the Holocaust. If anything it’s simply repackaged them beneath the fog of Holocaust guilt.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/others-interview-blumenthal

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/others-interview-blumenthal#sthash.3vXQGuld.dpuf
     
    #1 glynch, Dec 5, 2014
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Israel critics chase Gysi into bathroom stall

    The Left (Die Linke) party chief Gregor Gysi took refuge in a toilet after two activist journalists chased him down alleging that he called them anti-Semitic.

    The incident was recorded and posted onto YouTube on Tuesday.

    "When I have a hit on my life, are you going to take responsibility for that?" asks Canadian-Israeli activist David Sheen as he follows Gysi down the corridor housing the Left party's parliamentary offices on the video. "Are you going to take responsibility for the threats on my life?"

    Gysi then locks himself into the bathroom, yelling "Out! Get out of here!", as Sheen continues to shout after him.

    The confrontation stemmed from a talk that Sheen was supposed to give with American author Max Blumenthal, a sharp critic of the Israeli state's conduct in the ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict, at Berlin's Volksbühne on the anniversary of Kristallnacht, November 9.

    Gysi had also sought to prevent the pair from speaking to MPs in the Linke conference room at the parliament.

    Upon the urgings of Green party politician and head of the German-Israeli partliamentary friendship group Volker Beck, Left party representative Petra Pau and Reinhold Robbe, the president of the German-Israeli Society, the theatre cancelled the talk.

    The three politicians expressed concern that a talk by the known Israel critics would create a forum for anti-Semitism.

    "On November 9 ... a very one sided discussion of the conflict in the Middle East is being held by the Israel critics Max Blumenthal and David Sheen," Beck wrote on his Facebook page with a copy of the letter.

    "The two are, on the anniversary of the beginning of the persecution, abduction and murder of more than six million European Jews, presenting a talk that serves anti-Semitic resentments and compares the reign of terror of the Nazis to the Israeli government."

    Blumenthal's latest book, Goliath, quotes orthodox Jewish philosopher Yeshayahu Liebowitz's reference to Israeli soldiers as "Judaeo-Nazis".

    Blumenthal has been accused of equating the religious state to Nazi Germany through provocative chapter titles in the same book, and recently compared Israel to terrorist group Islamic State.

    Goliath caused the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights group, to name Blumenthal to their 2013 list of anti-semites.

    In the video, Blumenthal is seen saying that Sheen is angry because "he'll have to go to Israel, where he could be - he'll definitely be attacked for these allegations against us."

    Blumenthal also says that "Stasi-ism is alive and well" after Gysi, whose political career was born out of the German Democratic Republic, refuses to speak to the pair.

    Sheen and Blumenthal, who are both Jewish, say that having their talks cancelled as a precaution against anti-Semitism has branded them as racists against their own people.

    They now fear that they will be persecuted because of the statement that was co-signed by Gysi's colleague, Petra Pau.

    Blumenthal and Sheen also gave testimony in the German parliament regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict, which they allege Gysi's party also tried to shut down. The parliamentary hearing happened as planned.

    On Tuesday evening, Gysi condemned the actions of the journalists in a press statement.

    "We won't cooperate with anyone who treats us or our comrades with such hostility like those on November 10," he said.

    The three members who invited the two reporters have since apologized to Gysi.

    http://www.thelocal.de/20141112/israel-critics-chase-gysi-into-bathroom-stall

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    This is the kind of people glynch allies himself with. A crazy fanatic like Max Blumenthal who chases politicians in their own parliament into a bathroom stall.
     
    #2 AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2014
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    More about glynch's brother-in-spirit Max Blumenthal and his "I hate Israel handbook":

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/1...se-max-blumenthal’s-‘i-hate-israel-handbook’/

    Here’s a passage of praise from Duke’s site:

    Yes - not kidding - glynch, Max Blumenthal and David Duke are on the same page in their anti-Israel hate.
     
    #3 AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2014
  4. glynch

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    ATW getting hysterical exemplifies Blumenthal's theme of unprocessed German guilt re the Holocaust.

    Blumenthal has been better received in the US showing the increasing ability to present other viewpoints wrt to the ill treatment of Palestinians by Israel and even wrt to the whole Zionist project.
     
    #4 glynch, Dec 5, 2014
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    How do you feel about sharing the same views with David Duke, glynch? Does that make you proud?
     
    #5 AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2014
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    This is a losing and unworthy battle. In what universe would one not want Germans to feel regretful and mindful of having committed the Holocaust?
     
    #6 Dairy Ashford, Dec 5, 2014
  7. AroundTheWorld

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    I agree with you.

    The answer to your question is: In the one glynch and David Duke, Islamists and Hamas terrorists live in - that of extreme hate against Jews and Israel.

    Edit: I forgot CometsWin. Thanks for reminding me with your post.
     
    #7 AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2014
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  8. CometsWin

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    The one in which it causes them to provide bat**** crazy support for Zionism, occupation, and subjugation.
     
    #8 CometsWin, Dec 5, 2014
  9. dback816

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    ATW isn't a pure blood German.
     
    #9 dback816, Dec 5, 2014
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    What's that? What would a "pure blood American" be, in your opinion?
     
    #10 AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2014
  11. glynch

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    More from the Blumenthal interview which shows exactly how the extremist support toward Israel/Jews is still consistent with not seeing Jews as like everyone else. Similarly the need by some to see all Arabs/Muslims as evil.

     
    #11 glynch, Dec 6, 2014
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