Anyone who wants Morey to get fired is a *insert a more appropriate word*

if rockets had just one competent 3pt shooter we'd be at least at .500. morey can make good trades happen and im sure he's looking into it. not his fault all the shooters cant throw a rock in the ocean. thats never happened before, not on this level.

if he can get one for jones straight up he should do it. jones for t ross would be sweet. they cna use more bigs

so many pple on this site have lost their mind

 

Harden is the only thing that ruins the chemistry. His inability to be effective off the ball and non existing defense. How do you fix chemistry without parting ways with Harden? It's stupid to blame GM for players being stubborn. It's not a video game where you have bar over your head showing your chemistry level.

 

There was not a problem with chemistry last season. And Harden was on the team and dominated the ball.

There was not a problem with chemistry the year before that or the year before that when the Rockets had one of the best offenses in the league both years.

 

You see comments like these

Not only can't we shoot, but we can't play defense, we're turning the ball over, and our overall play is flat out lazy. Morey assembled this team, he also created the Moreyball offense. Yet somehow we shouldn't criticize the grand architect? Interesting

 

It goes beyond forgetting how to shoot. How can an entire team forget how to shoot at the same time?

I have seen individual players go hot and cold for stretches. This is normal and is where other players are expected to pick up the slack. Rarely do you see an entire team shoot bricks and below 30% for several games.

That tells you there is something fundamentally wrong with the gimmick offensive system we run.

Maybe it's the quality of shots? Maybe defenses have geared towards our strengths and we are jacking up contested 3's?

Although we don't have great shooters, we have decent ones but this is one long stretch where every player has been shooting garbage.

 

Morey DOESN'T deserve to get fired! A good caning/waterboarding is well deserved, but not getting fired! ....

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With all due respect, the players didn't just forget how to shoot the ball. These guys have had professional shooting coaches telling them how to shoot correctly since they were 12 years old if not younger.

I was listening to Bill Simmon's new podcast the other day with Haralabob and Bob made some great points about what is going on in Houston. The shooters just aren't getting separation anymore.

Here's the link to the full interview. Not sure where he starts talking about the Rockets woes.

https://soundcloud.com/the-bill-sim...voulgaris-thanksgiving-best-bests-w-joe-house

He also makes some great points about predictability in the NBA game, and how if teams know exactly what another team is going to do then its easier to defend them. Obviously Bob believes in the 3 point shot, but if that's all the other team knows you are going to do, then its still a predictable shot they can gear the defense around.

Also its crazy how when one scouting scheme comes out that works on a player or team it spreads like wildfire around the league, and not long after EVERYONE guards you, or that player the exact same way. Even back when Yao was still with the team, we saw the scouting really change the way the Rockets had to use him almost overnight when teams started fronting him.

The poor shooting percentages are scary because I just don't know how the Rockets overcome the fact that teams really know how to guard them better, and they don't have the perfect mix of creators who can also defend like Golden State has to have a devastating 3 point shooting team.

A coaching change.... maybe, but it starts with Morey and then goes to the coaches. Its the NBA and often times you have to zig when other teams zag to gain an edge. Morey is a smart guy, and I'm sure he sees the issues that Haralabob was referring to.

Having D-Mo back could help suck in the defense a bit more with some post up action if he's 100% at all this season. The pick and roll has some moments to free up shooters more, but for whatever reason our ball handlers just cannot run it without creating massive amounts of turnovers.

The whole point though is our shooters just haven't been working with great flow in the offense, and haven't had the space created like they have had in the past, and they certainly don't get the space that a team like Golden State gets with the players they have. The Rockets need to zig while the NBA is zagging if they want to create variance.

 

How about bringing in players who already know how to make shots. Yeah, makers- we need them. Shooters- we have shooters, but we desperately need deadeye makers

 

They are getting plenty of open looks and they are just bricking them.

They ran the same style of offense for the past several years, and it's worked just fine. Better than fine. It has been a top-5 offense 2 of the last 3 years.

Why is the defense poor when it was good last season? That has nothing to do with Morey.

 

So you're telling me an entire team with decent shooters who have been shooting open looks for their entire lives are now missing the same open looks? Each and every one of them missing open looks at the same time?

Cool.

 

Morey should be in the "hot seat" too...it's his philosophy/system to shoot 3's because he believes mid-range is a lesser percentage shot than shooting the 3...my philosophy is to get the best basket, not try to drive every time to the basket and hope to get to the free throw line or kick out to a player with 3-4 seconds left on the shot clock to shoot a 3 pointer. We attempt 32 three pointers per game, that's more than the GS Warriors. Morey put this team together, it's not the coach's fault that his players can't hit a 3 pointer. So, until Morey changes his "money ball let shoot 3 pointers because it's worth more than a wide open mid range shot" philosophy, then yes he's the next person to be fired

 

Amen to that...Olympus has fallen

 

Bingo!!

The fact we have no counter move or plan b is the biggest disappointment. If the Rockets aren't hitting 3's the only thing we do is keep jacking them up. Plus the fact we don't run plays makes our offense look sloppier. I said this before the season and ppl here said "we don't need plays" smh. If you look at the 3's we take most of them are bad shots. Moreyball needs to go. If we can't get Adelman I say hire his closest assisant and implement his Princeton read & react offense

 

People here say GSW play Moreyball. That is BS.

Moreyball wouldn't have space in the team for guys like Livingston (as we already saw) and Speights who play of the mid range.

GSW take the best shot available. If that is a 3 so be it considering they have two fo the best 3 point shooters in the league. But to think all they do is layups and 3's is crap.

It's just a way for posters here to laud the gimmick Moreyball by saying the best team in the league uses it.

 

The Rockets are running read and react. They often run the corner sets too, but instead of having the 3 man set screens for a back cut from the 1 or 2, they are just simply going out to the 3 point line.

The difference in Adelman's offense and the Rockets is the fact that the bigs WERE able to make plays from the corner, the ball was able to move better from the bigs or the wings when the cuts were made going towards the buckets, and the guards actually set screens, moved without the ball.

The similarities are the plays typically start out with the same setup. Its the execution and the counters that are taken out of the back part of the offense and replaced with 3 point shooters shooting spot up shots, and more isolation & P&R from the 2/3 (with your 3 being a piss poor isolation player).

I like the idea of going back with a coach like a Thibs or JVG that sets up offensive sets that, while they aren't ground breaking, always put your team in a position to GET BACK on D as quick as possible. I think sets that suck in the defense into the interior will actually allow this team to get better 3's although the quantity will be much lower.

Having a team with so many undisciplined defenders in an offense that gives up so many long rebounds, and with the spacing along the 3 line bunched up too much, and with your team spaced out where its tougher to get back in the paint after a turnover, or missed shot, it's just asking for problems, and turnovers unless of course your shooters are making those shots... which they aren't and likely won't with the spacing being so bad with the way teams are defending them.

So I dunno. I like the idea of sucking in the D with some plays to get Harden, D-Mo, and maybe even more of Dwight in the post. They have to get their spacing back first and foremost. Corner sets, read and react, Princeton, Triangle... its all the same in the NBA. Can you give me space, and flow to get good shots? Because right now (and last year in late game situations) the Rockets offense couldn't do that.

Also - Adelman is beyond retired. Unfortunately his wife has had major health issues that led to him having to leave the Minnesota job. He's done coaching likely so we just need to move forward crossing his name off the list.

 

GSW run read and react. Houston runs read and react. I think the confusion is that Moreyball is some new innovative way of playing basketball. The only thing that's new about it is the evidence Morey has that has led him to believe that traditionally "bad contested shots" from 3 are better than un-contested long 2's that your 4's and 5's could normally get.

You're favorite coach, McHale, used to talk about "The ball being on a string". When was the last time the Rockets were able to get that kind of ball movement in their offense? Last year mid-season when D-Mo was killing it from the 5 probably IMO? D-Mo playing the 5 offensively was giving the Rockets about the closest thing that you can compare to Golden State with Green at the 5. Last year late in the season, they won games but that second unit with their crazy un-predictability really carried them when their offense got stagnant. But that unpredictability wasn't a CONTROLLED unpredictability, it was just chaos in the form of Corey Brewer and Josh Smith which can bite you in the arse as much as it can help you. The Rockets got the best Josh Smith and Corey Brewer they could have possibly gotten.

The Rockets system is broken IMO, and while I love R&R when its pure, you have to know your personnel, and you still have to instill un-predictability within it. GS has Green providing that unpredictable X-factor that opens everything up for the perimeter guys. The Rockets have nothing, but perimeter guys sitting around waiting for something to happen that gets them good shots they haven't got in months.

That's the difference between GS's Read and React, and the Rockets Read and React. In concept they are running the same thing. In reality its Jaws vs. Sharknado.

 

Yup. Well coached teams make good adjustments on the fly. Badly coached teams take out well performing bigs just because the other team took out their scrubby big man in favor of small ball. Unless your team has Michael Jordan, Lebron James or someone of that ilk, you need a good coach.

 

Douche Nozzle? I dunno I don't want him fired he is great at finding talent I just want him to leave the coaching staff alone.

 

Morey has his positives along with his flaws, just like every GM. His flaws, however, arent small ones we can deal with or overlook. He can trade with the best of them but what's the point if he keeps getting players who don't fit? Everyone wants a new coach but fails to realize that Morey will just hire a puppet that will buy into his Moreyball philosophy. We may luck into a thibs but do we actually think a relationship between two control freaks is going to work long term? Im in the fire Morey minority because I know he's not going to change some of his major flaws. He's always going to be a control freak because that's who he is. He's always going to get pieces that don't fit correctly because he relies on analytics too much (him going away from it basically tells the world he was wrong and he's not that type of guy to let a Barkley win).

 

Pretty sure everyone realizes that and wishes he wouldn't. Even with Morey's philosophy it's not as if Mchale coaching and staff were just the best and they were held down by Morey. No they were and are bad. Eventhough I think we need to include midrange shots the coaching problems we had, had nothing to do with Morey's philosophy.