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Another Perkins Trade Thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by A_3PO, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. A_3PO

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    The subject has been discussed a lot already, but now we know the Bulls joined the Heat in celebrating when they heard about it. Jeff Green isn't performing up to expectations and even Doc Rivers commented on him earlier this week. Blogs and newspapers covering the Celts haven't been kind to Green lately. The Celts lost a huge chunk of their heart when Perkins left.

    Rondo was ticked off after last night's game and requested a meeting with Doc afterwards. http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/04/rondo_rivers_me.html

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...se_and_bulls_send_statement_to_celtics_040811

    Bulls’ message to Celtics: We can beat you

    CHICAGO – Turn the corner into the Chicago Bulls’ coach’s office, and there was something seldom seen: Three kids climbing onto Tom Thibodeau, twisting back his arms, mussing his hair and threatening to topple him backward in his desk chair. These were his nephews from Berlin, Conn., wearing UConn Huskies jackets and sharing with the reclusive, relentless coach the closest you’ll ever see to a rollicking postgame party.

    Here was Thibodeau flanked with Diet Coke cans and two bottles of honey for a voice struggling to make it to the playoffs. Ask Thibodeau about that Chicago Sun-Times back page that dropped on his office desk sometime after 6 a.m. on Thursday, and his eyes dart wide, his mouth curls into a smile and he says: “How great was that?”


    There was a photo of a glum Derrick Rose, with his words splattered across the page in big, bold, alarming letters: “We’re not moving in the right direction.”

    Here’s the genius of these Bulls: Somehow, the leadership can sell everyone – the papers, the locker room – on the idea that the most dominant, most locked-in regular-season team is somehow vulnerable, somehow on the cusp of catastrophe. The Chicago Bulls had won 16 of 18 games, and yet here was Rose delivering a foreboding message with the Boston Celtics looming. Thibodeau could warn his team over and over on slippage, but nothing resonates like a star sounding the alarm.

    “And then, he comes out and backs it up,” Celtics coach Doc Rivers said later with a sigh. “That kid is something else.”

    This was the kind of night that made everyone step back and admire the most impressive work of this basketball season: the reconstructing of a championship contender in Chicago. The Bulls delivered a clinic to the Celtics, a 97-81 beat-down born out of the relentless and rigid defense, hellacious rebounding and the sheer greatness of Rose. His genius went so far beyond the 30 points and eight assists, beyond his blurring drives past Rajon Rondo and double-clutch finishes at the rim. His genius comes in the details of how he leads, how he practices, how he conducts himself as a franchise player when everyone’s watching – and maybe most importantly – when no one’s watching him.

    “If this game didn’t put the stamp on the MVP, I don’t know what would,” Bulls center Joakim Noah said.

    Within the Bulls’ locker room, they will privately tell you: The belief changed when the Celtics traded Kendrick Perkins to Oklahoma City for Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic. Teammates remembered Rose’s vibe transforming the room, resonating with everyone. They have such great respect for the Celtics and learned so much from losing to them in the playoffs two years ago. The Bulls suspected they had completely closed the gap on Boston, but word of the Perkins trade ran through the room like a live wire on Feb. 24.
    The Bulls beat Miami that night and they’ve run off 20 of 23 games since the Celtics made the move.

    With Perkins gone, everything changed for the Celtics and they knew it: the toughness, the tenacity, the presence in the post.

    “He was tough,” Rose said. “We could defend on someone that was big. He was really tough to go around. … They’re different.”


    Different doesn’t mean better. It means diminished. The Bulls beat the Celtics 44-22 in the paint, beat them badly on the boards, too. They assailed the Celtics the way the Celtics used to assail everyone else.

    “We know we can beat them,” Rose flatly said.

    The Bulls are 58-20, on the cusp of the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference and the truth is unmistakable: The Eastern Conference comes through here. Boston tried badly to win this game, played its stars big minutes, and it didn’t matter. The Celtics couldn’t compete. The Bulls have blown them out consecutive times now, and the invincibility that once existed with the Celtics is long gone. Ask three people who were part of the ’08 champion Boston Celtics – Rivers, Thibodeau and Bulls forward Brian Scalabrine – and all three agree that the ferocity, the fierceness of these Bulls is reminiscent of that title season.

    “Right now, they’re playing harder than anyone else,” Rivers said. “That has a lot to do with their winning. That comes from both Thibs and Derrick Rose being here.”

    All around Rose, these Bulls play at a fever pitch. Before games, they ingest Thibodeau’s detailed scouting reports. During games, they execute them to perfection. And afterward, they spit out his clich és. In the preseason, no one projected a 60-win regular season and complete dominance over Boston and Miami. Not with Carlos Boozer missing so much time, not with Noah missing half the season.

    “See this coming?” Thibodeau responded in the quiet of his office late Thursday. “At the beginning, maybe not all of this, no …” The kids had climbed off him, and Tom Thibodeau had a moment to reflect on a season that delivered one more statement, one more roundhouse right to the standard of greatness in the Eastern Conference, the Boston Celtics.

    “Hey, Boston is going to be great in the playoffs,” Thibodeau said. “Those guys are going to be there.”

    He knows this, too: Eventually, the Celtics will have to come through Chicago, through Derrick Rose, to get back to the NBA Finals. Everything’s changed here. The Bulls still respect the Celtics, but the invincibility has been stripped away. Boston’s never seemed so vulnerable to them. The Celtics are wobbly on the way into the playoffs, unsure of who they are anymore, and this season’s MVP is dying for a chance to finish this job – and maybe finish off this Celtics era – in the conference finals. All through Chicago now, all through Derrick Rose.
     
  2. t_mac1

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    well, do that in the playoffs. it's funny for the bulls to say that when they haven't done anything in the playoffs.

    secondly, the celtics were the best team in the first part of the season WITHOUT perkins. i just want to point that out.

    losing perkins only hurts them when they have to face a legit big man, and only the lakers and orlando pose that problem.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    The Celtics are so done.
     
  4. t_mac1

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    they had a similar stretch like this last year and ended with a #4 seed. people also said they were done.

    a 7-game playoff series is a different beast from one regular season game.

    i wouldn't count the celtics out.
     
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    Derrick Rose is a fantastic leader.


    Statistics don't tell the whole story in the case of who should be MVP.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    I'm not even considering how they're playing right now. (in fact, I have no idea how they're playing, haven't paid attention to anyone but the rockets since the ASB)

    They don't have the interior presence to survive the playoffs.
     
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    If they can get Shaq and Jermaine healthy, they can. Hope it happens for entertainment purposes.
     
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    Franchise killing move.

    Unbelieveably some Rockets fans were claiming Green to be some kind of superstar wanting him on the Rockets.
     
  9. The_Yoyo

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    You kind of said it yourself here the celtics did well during the regular season without him but the playoffs are a different story. Sure the celtics made it all the way to the NBA finals but lost that series as soon as Perkins injured himself in game 6. He was healthy throughout all the other series though.

    Earlier in the season when they didnt have Perkins they had Both the O'neals and to a lesser extent, Harangody as some of the extra backup big men. Now Shaq is also injured and no one is sure on Jermaine's health and Harandogy has been traded away.

    They've been replaced with Murphy and Krstc two guys are maybe tall but arent low post guys both on offense and especially defense.

    If Shaq AND Jermaine were 100% then I'd still give the edge to Boston (though Thibs knows exactly what they'll do before they do it) but with both of them not 100%, not having homecourt either the celtics do look very vunerable. Perkins wasnt just their best low post defender he was also one of the leaders in terms of toughness. Garnett is a lot of bark and all but when push comes to shove Garnett will walk away like a p***y but Perk will shove back a lot harder.

    Really if this was going to be a 'last hurrah' of sorts for the Celtics then they had no reason to trade Perk even if they thought they'd lose him in the offseason fine, a chance to get a ring is super rare. And its not like they got amazing players back in return it was Krstc and Jeff Green
     
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    It's tough when you get 20 minutes a game and have to back up Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.
     
  11. apollo33

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    haven't watch Celtics in like forever. But last night's game made me realize how useless rondo is on offense. Geez did anyone see how ridiculously far Rose went under the screens daring Rondo to take a jumper.
     
  12. CCorn

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    Haha everytime I watch the Celts play I just yell let Rondo shoot Let Rondo shoot. I loved it in the playoffs when he missed 2 easy layups. Man can pass the ball and play D, but if he was on almost any other team he wouldn't be hyped the way he is.

    I'm ready for Rose to lay down a can of woopass in the playoffs
     
  13. Outlier

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    I want the Rockets to stay very far from Green.
     
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    Sorry about that
     
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    depends on the price to pay

    if it's just for j hill, then why not :D
     
  16. A_3PO

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    It was franchise killing (or maybe just hindering) for OKC when Green was getting 35 mins/game as a starter, putting up a lot of shots (at a low %), not rebounding and getting torched on defense. He was traded because he stopped developing. Scott Brooks kept giving him heavy minutes despite the lack of production. The Thunder knew what they were doing. Danny Ainge did not understand what he was getting.

    The one thing Green has done since joining the Celts is cut down his dumb shots, especially 3-pointers. He's actually playing more within his ability by focusing more on mid-range and post-ups against smaller players. The fact is he isn't good enough for a larger role (as proven in OKC) and the glow of the Thunder franchise carried his reputation.

    The Celtics traded away part of their heart and got a couple of softies in return. You can't just view this trade and say it only hurts the Celts when they face legit big men. The Heat and Bulls, neither of whom have scoring big men, are very happy for good reason.
     
  17. gah

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    I always hoped we would snatch Perkins once the Celts' were done, if it happens this season, for a moderate price I would trade for Garnett, as much as I dislike him, he still has one or two good years left.
     
  18. Easy

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    Why did Boston trade Perkins again?
     
  19. t_mac1

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    it was rumored that perkins wanted more money and if he didn't get it, he would not come back. and that is usually the case in most of these situations.

    no other logic to this trade at all besides from a money standpoint for boston/ainge.
     
  20. Kojirou

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    But Green is also a free agent, he's coming off of his rookie contract, so he'll be paid fairly well too. My understanding was that the Celtics have zero wing depth ( seriously, their wings after Allen, Green, and Pierce are Delonte and freaking Sasha Pavolvic) and so Ainge tried to fix that problem, and gambled that the O'Neals could fill in for Perkins. However, gambling on the health of ancient Shaq was frankly pretty r****ded.
     

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