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American Manufacturing: Miraculously on the Upswing

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  1. Northside Storm

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    Manufacturing In The US Is Making A Historic Comeback

    Read more: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-insourcing-boom/309166/#ixzz2F9DSav2I

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    In the spirit of blaming the President for macroeconomic trends outside of any individual's hands, it must be said---

    Thank you President Obama.
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    We have to stop these energy enterprises from providing cheap energy.
     
  3. QdoubleA

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    THANKS OBAMA!
     
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    Are these jobs lumping in high skilled engineers needed to maintain scores of machinery, our is the upswing capturing the blue collar labor we know and love?

    I read that the manufacturing comeback might not greatly benefit low skilled workers that fit a considerable chunk of our unemployed today..and tomorrow

    Encouraging news nonetheless
     
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    U.S. Manufacturing in November Shrinks to 3-year Low

     
  6. Northside Storm

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    That's a misnomer---reading the article, manufacturing did not shrink so much as manufacturing activity indexes, which are an indication of present perceptions of manufacturing based largely on comparison to the past month, and which includes a whole lot of other factors that just pure output.

    In this example---
    Means November readings simply gather the fact that conditions are worse than in October. Of course, Hurricane Sandy might have something to do with that.

    Manufacturing itself, well, all's well that ends well---

    Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2012/12/14/us-manufacturing-rebounds-post-sandy/#ixzz2F9aKOSEw

    Part of the disconnect is probably due to the upcoming fiscal cliff, which is weighing on industry figures by pushing down external demand and in general causing a whole lot of fear. Of course the fiscal cliff aims to slash spending on a terrible level (which have much more favorable fiscal multipliers) while raising revenue. Essentially, the fiscal cliff represents some of the dangers of the Republican plan for the economy. Commodore, I think it was you who asked how "return to Clinton-era rates would cause a recession/LFPR contraction"...this is one reason why.

    So, thank you Republicans!

    For more information on the PMI and other related indexes---

    http://www.investopedia.com/university/releases/napm.asp

    Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/university/releases/napm.asp#ixzz2F9bEEs5t
     
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    It would appear that there are some benefits being "trickled down".

    Blue collar unemployment fell off a cliff thanks to Lehman Brothers et. al, but it is recovering with a ferocity.

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    Every sector fell off the employment cliff after Lehman though.

    To get back the jobs Bush lost in another 10 years would require a hiring growth rate greater than the Clinton era.

    It's good we're shifting to robotics, but it also means there's a whole lotta unemployed dummies here...and in ChinIndia.
     
  9. Northside Storm

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    Blue collar workers were hit disproportionately hard.

    Changing that has to begin somewhere. I do agree with you that it will be very hard, but when has that ever stopped America from trying?
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Good job, Bernanke (a Republican).
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    A Republican reappointed by a Democrat---and who seemingly half of the Republican Party despises, or wants to see tried for treason.
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    Just look at that upswing.

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    Partisans are against this.
     
  14. Northside Storm

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    Yes, the first peek upwards since the late 90s.

    Also, a simple numbers game on this is way too simplistic.

    There's a bunch of reasons why, but I'll focus on a key one---it utterly fails to capture a crucial variable; the ever-increasing labour manufacturing productivity. I'm not really on the "productivity wipes EVERYTHING" side on this one, and you can poke holes in how productivity itself is measured, but to completely ignore it is a bit troubling.

    For perspective---

    http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.ca/2012/02/does-increased-productivity-decrease.html

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    Type of job is irrelevant, the market dictates the kind of labor that's needed through price signals. A manufacturing job is not inherently superior to a service job, just depends on what skills are valued at that moment.That's like saying we need more farmers.

    What matters is improved productivity, wages, and overall employment levels.
     
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    There's a few reasons why manufacturing jobs are particularly economically beneficial.

    I will now cite the Brookings report I partially countered in the previous post.

    With that said, labour manufacturing productivity is actually constantly increasing, and may actually be holding manufacturing employment numbers down from where they should be (as explained in previous post). A stagnant wage helps explain some of the differential (and is a distorted price signal itself, given the boundless increases in labour manufacturing productivity). Price signals have been distorted once again by the wise all-knowing owners of capital who seem only now, by their own admission, to be realizing that producing in America makes a whole lot more sense.

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    Free market! Hooray invisible hand! No one needs unions, ever.
     
  17. Commodore

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    The importance is reflected in the price.
     
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    lol you guys don't have a clue

    Manufacturing is returning to the US due to our newfound abundance of oil and natural gas, and the fact that natural gas is priced not on global supply/demand balance but only on North American s/d balance. Therefore we have much cheaper natural gas than other countries.

    The guys who deserve credit are the innovators who perfected drilling in shale formations. not the least of which is Houston's George Mitchell, whose company was one of the very first pioneers about 20 years ago.

    Obama was still smoking herb with the choom gang while this was happening. He deserves no credit.
     
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    scoreboard, broheme
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    The price is flawed in the first place. For reference, check my previous post.

    In any case, taking your argument head-on, it's not because things like these are Marshallian Externalities; in other words they accrue social benefits but not private ones, and are thus under-priced from a societal viewpoint.

    Does it benefit the American people to have a less ridiculous current account deficit? For the sake of simplicity (though this could literally be an university class in of itself), let us say yes. As such, keeping manufacturing jobs in America does this (as America will manufacture more goods, importing less and exporting more), and benefits American society as a whole. Do private agents have an incentive to benefit American society as a whole? Not unless they are capturing that profit. But the American people are capturing that value, and thus have a very real interest in keeping manufacturing jobs that goes beyond what a private agent would value.

    I'm assuming you care at least a bit about benefits accruing to the American people seeing as how you are one of them, but correct me if I'm wrong.
     

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