After missing out on Howard, Rockets to fight for playoffs [NBA.com]

Houston Rockets 2012: We don't die! (tank), We multiply! (6'9" PFs)

 

Battier is not and has never been a superstar. He was valuable but he couldn't lead the Rockets into the playoffs,even at his best. It wasn't until Artest arrived that we got into the 2nd round.

 

This is ridiculous. If Lamb ends up averaging 18PPG in his rookie season then he is a future Superstar or at the very least an all-star calliber SG.

If Motiejunas averages those numbers in his rookie year then he might not be a superstar, but I can guarantee you that he's going to be a max contract big man when his contract is up. Look up other skilled 7 footers that put up those kind of numbers.

Guess what... thats pretty much a future All-star if your a big man in the NBA who puts up those numbers in your rookie campaign.


If this team ends up with the 14th pick or the 8th seed in the playoffs, then the future looks bright, and they are the next OKC type of team.

I dont know why people on here feel like a player has to be drafted #1 overall to considered a future star in the NBA. The Rockets need to find a franchise cornerstone any way they can find it. They already have people on this roster with high upside "potential." Just because those players aren't the guys YOU wanted to pick doesn't mean they dont deserve a shot to prove YOU and others alike wrong.

Look, they end up not panning out, then this team is deep in lotteryville and you get your wish for a high draft pick. If one or more of them end up showing signs of being a future all-star, then Rockets fans just need to be happy that they are getting that kind of player for the future any way they could get them and stop b****ing.

 

This season will be an entertaining one. The Rockets will surprise a lot of folks. Even if we miss the playoffs I think we'd still be able to take a lot of positives with the rookies, the Toronto pick.

 

way way way too early to tell this.

 

How do you propose they "make sure" of this?


Remember, among other things, that there will likely be multiple other teams with the same incentives.

 

Those of you who are upset that the team is going to shoot for the playoffs shouldn't even be posting here.

 

No matter how often this type of question has been ask, there is always one person who pretends they don't understand what the discussion is about.

Tanking does not mean you deliberately lose.

Tanking means you jettison your vets (only one left to dump), play the kids, and avoid the temptation of acquiring second tier stars.

Example, the Rockets need to dump K-Mart before the season begins, not at the trade deadline.

 

I reckon one way to do it would be to make sure you have 11 guys out of 15 with 2 years or less NBA experience.
That would surely "make sure" of either a bad losing season or a tremendously bright future.

Why can't Morey get us a roster with 11 guys out of 15 having 2 years or less NBA experience?



Some people's blindness/ hatred is simply amazing.



[[I'm assuming Fortson and Simpson don't make the final cut, otherwise it'd be 13 out of 15]]

 

Yeah - because Kevin Martin is such a difference maker. He tends to give up as many points as he scores doesn't he?

One way of developing a host of inexperienced players is having at least a couple of guys on the roster who know how to at least do something well!
I would think we just want one rookie in the starting lineup [and looks like it'll be a PF] - so having Martin play the first month or 2 of the season wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. It'd give Lamb an 'easy in' to the NBA.

I think the first option should be to develop the players we have, then jettison and sink after that!

 

This article is so spot on. I hate to say this, but kudos to Blinebury for getting this one right.

Yay for more mediocrity treadmill... only this time we don't even get to hope for the playoffs.

 

Amateur, it's simple. You trade away all the players who have proven to contribute to winning.

That means Lin, Parsons, Asik so far. And if any of the rookies perform well, they should be quickly dispatched as well. For uh... more future picks, that can later be turned into even MORE future picks once they materialize into useful players.

That way, we can ensure a maximum probability of 25% at the #1 pick!

However, that is not enough.

A quick glance at the previous #1 picks for the past 10 years and we find that out of:

Kyrie Irving
John Wall
Blake Griffin
Derrick Rose
Greg Oden
Andrea Bargnani
Andrew Bogut
Dwight Howard
Lebron James
Yao Ming

Exact ZERO of them has led the team that has drafted them to a championship.

And exactly ONE of them have been good enough to be the best player on a championship team.

Worse yet, a look further down history lane shows that a string of all-nba players like Yao, James, Dwight was actually incredibly rare and lucky. More likely chances are ending up with consensus picks like Elton Brand, or Joe Smith, or Glen Robinson. If you are lucky enough to avoid the Olowokanis and Kwames.

Alas, do not despair. There is light at the end of the tunnel!

There seems to be about a 25% chance of drafting a franchise altering superstar with the 25% chance of actually landing a #1 pick, which adds up to roughly a 6% chance of drafting a superstar every year we tank!

That means by consecutively tanking for a mere 8 years, we will roughly have a 50/50 shot at a superstar!

And that light at the end of the tunnel? That's called the bright lights of Las Vegas baby!

Because by then we will be rooting for the Las Vegas Rockets(So excite!) after the franchise hightails the hell out of Houston as fans completely abandon them. Well, "we" as in the those of us left like you and I who don't call Houston home now anyways. The rest of you guys, tough luck, I guess.

We call that the Seattle Superso... I mean, Oklahoma City Thunder Rebuilding Model!

Woo! Tank or die!

 

Because he will take minutes away from the kids, that's why.

 

Which is why we should have started back in 2009.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=4611871#post4611871

The Les-More strategy has been a grand failure. Anyone who wants a fourth year of "rebuilding on the fly" is the textbook example of a "sucker".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_(slang)

The only team that can "rebuild on the fly" are the Lakers, and we aren't them.

 

Exactly!

All that its accomplished by holding off tanking for 3 years is giving these pathetic Houston fans an extra 3 years of Rockets basketball. Let us avoid postponing the inevitable.

Tank now! And arise in the desert!

2015.

The Las Vegas Morey's Cardcounters.

 

If you have to exaggerate to make your point, then you don't have much of an argument.

 

I'm not exaggerating. I'm poking fun.

What is an exaggeration? This fairy tale of how easy it will be to get that franchise player by simply tanking.

There are a handful of teams that do what you want for the Rockets year in and year out. Either by their own volition, or simply stuck in a destructive cycle. Washington. Toronto. Charlotte. Sacramento. Detroit.

Lebron is not on any of those teams. Neither is Kobe. Nor Dwight.

It isn't easy. Those teams have had a taste of what you so crave. And they want OUT.

They are acquiring slightly above average veterans just so they can get back to mediocrity. Because they've tasted the bottom of the barrel, and an NBA franchise cannot sustain itself at the bottom of a barrel. So after all those years of tanking, they haven't gone anywhere.

Tanking is like buying a lottery ticket. It will produce millionaires every other week. But that doesn't mean anyone should make it their day job. In fact, its simply a waste of time.

 

Didn't 'crash5179' already crunch the numbers for the past 17 years? I vote this should be a sticky somewhere...
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=225241

The odds are an abysmal 1.3%, right? And that is 1.3% every year you are in the lottery which has no cumulative effect regardless of how many years you make the lottery...

1/17 = 0.0588235294117647 x 0 = 0 %
[odds you draft a #1 pick who wins a championship, but gets the hell out of dodge before doing so a.k.a LeBron ]

2/153 = 0.0130718954248366 = 1.3%
[odds you draft a #2-10 pick who leads his team to a championship and stays with the franchise a.k.a Dirk & DWade, the real "Batmen"]

 

If the rockets are one game away from the playoffs with the young roster that we have would you really be mad? Like that means that the young core that the rockets has is amazing.

 

That would be a sensational start for the team.