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Affordable Care Act vs Obamacare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Feb 8, 2017.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Ah yes, so our healthcare system is going to look more like the albatross that is Social Security.....lol, I don't doubt that's the direction they'll try to push things but that's going the direction of fiscal collapse. Already more than 60% of the entire budget is spent on entitlement programs....so why not add a few trillion more every year in entitlement spending? Sounds brilliant.

    At some point the free spending Republicans and the ridiculously free spending Democrats are going to screw things up so badly that it's going to REALLY hurt being drug back to fiscal responsibility much like happened to Greece. Politicians simply cannot continue spending like a drunk teenager with their father's credit card......although it's popular because there are a ton of short sighted "free stuff" voters out there.
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boehner-started-laughing-republicans-vowed-202900998.html

    He knows getting rid of obamacare is going to be political suicide for a lot of politicians, because a lot of people will lose healthcare. However obamacare is not sustainable. I am hoping we getting single payer soon. Trump can call it Trumpcare. If he does that he will go down as a great president.
     
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    I disagree that Boehner ever started laughing, everyone knows that the only thing he ever does is cry.
     
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    While I can appreciate the objections of rape, I do think you can make jokes about it even if said joke is used in poor taste.

     
  5. Major

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    That's not really how economics works. Greece's problems had very little to do with their fiscal situation and a lot to do with being a member of the EU and not having control of their own currency. Japan would be a better comparison to the US. Their debt-to-GDP ratio far exceeds Greece and is more than twice that of the US, and yet they have zero problems with interest rates or interest in owning their debt. There's a world of difference when you have your own currency and global backing. It does bog down growth to an extent, but the US faces nothing like Greece. Suggesting otherwise exposes a serious lack of understanding of basic international economics.
     
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    Don't bother. I've come to the conclusion that we really need to just let the country get set on fire for people to learn that it can actually burn down.

    The decision to tear down the ACA instead of amending it is foolish. There are bones of a good program there, that while not perfect, could be built upon for a sustainable system.
     
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    Woohoo! Let all the sick people keep plans but don't make anyone pay for it!

    Fiscal conservatism!

    Repealing the individual mandate but keeping guarantee issue means that no carrier will sell insurance to individuals. Humana has already shut down their individual insurance brand (humanaone) saying they no longer see a viable future for individual insurance products.
     
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    Bobby,

    Do you know what it was like before SS for the elderly?
     
  10. justtxyank

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    God doesn't ever let anyone go through anything they can't handle.

    :p

    Churches! Local charities! Free clinics!
     
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    Another poll showing public support for ACA growing.


    Pew poll: Support for Obamacare at all-time high

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    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/pew-survey-obamacare-support-record-high/
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/23/support-for-2010-health-care-law-reaches-new-high/
     
  12. Major

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    I'd love to hear how you suggest keeping no-preexisting-conditions while removing a mandate. How do you stop someone from waiting until they get cancer to sign up for health insurance, and how do you make that viable for insurers?
     
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  13. justtxyank

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    Free markets duh
     
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    Obamacare was kind of ingenious looking back on it. The program was horrible and a mess. But because it did insure people that didn't have insurance before, got rid of the pre-existing conditions exclusion, and things like this, people will not be willing to let it go. So now the only way to get rid of it will be to make it better than before which will eventually revolutionize health care coverage in this nation and most likely lead to a single payer system.
     
  15. justtxyank

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    Horrible and a mess is an exaggeration. As much as people like to complain about the problems, the vast majority of people don't get their insurance through private plans. For corporate plans it was not "horrible and a mess." It was a mixed bag.

    The private marketplace was a disaster, in part because gridlock prevented any efforts to shore it up when the issues became obvious early on.

    However, most people who trash the law to death will talk about the website failures, or the keep your doctor promise. That is proof that they listen to talk radio/foc news and aren't really basing their criticism on the real problems. I promise you when you sit down with the real leaders in the insurance world the website problems never come up and neither does "obama lied about keeping your doctor!"
     
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    People are stupid, how many voter have family members with preexisting conditions? How many families benefited from out of pocket max caps? How many of them voted from Republicans?
     
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    the true answer is everyone... it just take times and some of them are not fortunate enough to develop one.
     
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    Fine, Obamacare is popular now so let's do nothing and allow the system to collapse. Clearly that's what the people want.
     
  20. justtxyank

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    Nope, that would also be stupid.
     

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