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[AA-S]Bill rekindles debate on birthright citizenship

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  1. leroy

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    Bill rekindles debate on birthright citizenship

    State measure would deny services to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants

    By Juan Castillo
    AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

    Saturday, November 18, 2006

    Anyone born in the United States is an American citizen, a right with post-Civil War roots and defined in the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    But a controversial bill filed for the 2007 session of the Texas Legislature, one of a flurry of measures seeking crackdowns on illegal immigration, is challenging this long-held tenet of U.S. citizenship.

    House Bill 28, filed Monday by Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, would exclude U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants from access to public education and health care, unemployment, public housing, disability and other state benefits. Analysts think it is the first-ever state challenge of birthright citizenship.

    With the start of the legislative session still more than seven weeks away, the bill is stirring an outcry among critics, who say it is blatantly unconstitutional and who question the fairness of punishing U.S. citizen children for their parents' decisions to enter the country illegally. The dust-up is rekindling a bitter debate about birthright citizenship and the 14th Amendment that provides it.

    "It's very, very clear beyond reasonable doubt that under current interpretation of the 14th Amendment, and simply U.S. law, that anybody born in the United States, except for a few exotic examples, becomes a citizen," said Sanford Levinson, a constitutional law scholar at the University of Texas.

    Berman's bill is unconstitutional, Levinson said. "That's not even a close case," he said. In recent years, however, some who want to clamp down on illegal immigration have seized on the 14th Amendment, saying it was never intended to grant citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.

    Contending that birthright citizenship encourages illegal immigration, some critics have dubbed the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants "anchor babies" because they can sponsor their parents for legal permanent residency when they turn 21.

    "That's the reward they get for violating our laws," Berman said. "That's got to stop."

    More than 3 million children born in the United States have at least one parent who is an illegal immigrant, according to researchers at the Urban Institute in Washington.

    Immigrant rights groups say the number of cases in which parents enter the country illegally for the purpose of having a baby is considerably smaller than critics allege, a position captured in the plain-spoken language of the late U.S. Rep. Barbara Jordan of Texas in 1995.

    "People come to this country because they want jobs. They don't come to have babies," said Jordan, then the chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform.

    Berman said he expects — and wants — a court challenge if his bill passes because he hopes to force the Supreme Court to review the 14th Amendment. Levinson says it'll never get there.

    "It would be knocked down by whatever court heard it first," Levinson said.

    Legal experts interpret a 1982 Supreme Court decision as at least indirectly affirming the 14th Amendment's citizenship rights for U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. The decision struck down a Texas law and required that the state provide public education to children regardless of their legal status.

    "The environment has changed considerably since that time. We didn't have 20 million illegals," Berman said. Analysts generally estimate the illegal immigrant population in the United States at 11.5 million to 12 million.


    Push hasn't gone far


    For more than a decade, concerns about surging illegal immigration have led to a re-examination of birthright citizenship.

    But congressional efforts to revoke the right have proved to be nonstarters, said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum.

    "The basic reason is because it's unconstitutional," Kelley said. In 2005, U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, R-Ga., offered a bill to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to end birth citizenship. The measure has not moved beyond committees.

    U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, one of the bill's co-sponsors, was unavailable for an interview. But in an op-ed piece published in the San Diego Union-Tribune last year, Smith and U.S. Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif., wrote that one of every 10 births in the country are to illegal immigrant mothers.

    "Congress is long overdue in making sure the Fourteenth Amendment is correctly interpreted. Illegal immigration has become a crisis in America," Smith and Lungren wrote. "Passing a law to eliminate birth citizenship would help deter illegal immigration and reduce the burden on the taxpayer of paying for illegal immigrants' education, health care, and other government benefits."

    Legal experts disagree about whether a constitutional amendment or a federal statute is needed to end birthright citizenship.

    Levinson said such a decision would "have to be made at least by Congress, and I suspect most people would say by a constitutional amendment."


    'Big problem' in Texas


    As filed, Berman's bill would deny education and health care benefits. But later in the week, Berman said he had decided to remove them from his bill because the U.S. Supreme Court has affirmed them as constitutional rights and because leaving them in would hurt his bill's chances. "We're not violating the Constitution," Berman said.

    He said his legislation is necessary because the federal government is doing nothing about illegal immigration, which he claimed costs Texas taxpayers $3.5 billion a year, citing a report by the Lone Star Foundation, a think tank that touts what they call traditional family values and free enterprise.

    The net cost of illegal immigration is among the most disputed topics in the nation's roiling immigration debate.

    "(Illegal immigration is) a big problem in every district in Texas," Berman said. "People are getting sick and tired of spending money in hospitals, on education, in our prison system, in our courts."

    Removing the carrot of government benefits, he said, is one way to discourage illegal immigration.

    A member of the Texas House since 1999, Berman narrowly won re-election in March.

    Berman's bill and others signal that Texas is joining a growing list of states and municipalities attempting to legislate responses to illegal immigration, long viewed as a federal responsibility.

    Earlier this week, the Dallas suburb of Farmers Branch became the first city in Texas to pass measures fining landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and declaring English the city's official language.

    On the same day Berman filed his bill, the first day to file bills for the 2007 session, lawmakers introduced several measures targeting illegal immigration issues. Rep. Burt Solomons, R-Carrollton, filed a bill authorizing the state to sue the federal government to recover costs incurred by illegal immigration and demanding that it enforce immigration laws.

    Dan Kowalski, an Austin immigration attorney and editor of Bender's Immigration Bulletin, said states and cities are "trying to find that middle ground point in the law where they can legislate locally and that does not step over the (federal government's) pre-emption line."

    But Kowalski added, "Whether it's the issue of the 14th Amendment or housing or local employment, state and local lawmakers need to know that all these issues have been carefully examined by constitutional law experts for decades. They should do a little research before filing bills or enacting local ordinances."


    The 14th Amendment

    Ratified in 1868, the amendment was designed to protect freed slaves and their children. Section 1 says: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."



    This is a publicity stunt, pure and simple. No way this moron thinks this is going to get passed or that it would survive any court challenges. The Supreme Court would never hear this case.
     
  2. mrpaige

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    So, $3.5 billion is roughly 5% of the annual Texas budget. Illegal aliens are thought to comprise between 5% and 10% of the population. If anything, it looks like they might cost taxpayers more if they were citizens (not to mention that illegal aliens very likely do pay at least some taxes. If buy anything locally, they pay sales tax and if they live somewhere, the property taxes are paid one way or another).

    But I'm no math genius.

    Plus, I'm pretty sure it costs some money to adjudicate these cases. Is that not wasteful.
     
  3. hotballa

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    i'm not a fan of illegal immigration (my parents waited their turn like everyone else and emigrated here after waiting 15 years), and I didnt reasd the entire article but someone born here should be a citizen. There should be no question about this. I see a very very bad precedence for the future of this country if something as dumb as this is allowed to pass.
     
  4. HayesStreet

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    This is crappola. Born here you're a citizen - period.
     
  5. Oski2005

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    What's the statistic of children born with both parents being illegal? That stat about 3 million with at least one doesn't do anything for me. If one parent is definately legal, who would have a problem with that? I'm with mrpaige on this, I don't think illegals amount to as much government spending as people think. People don't seem to mind throwing billions every day at a war whose only purpose now is how to end it without looking weak.

    It would be nice to pay whoever cuts my grass with a check, but it's just a minor annoyance and he'll come back another day if I don't have cash on me.
     
  6. rhino17

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    If a child has one legal prent, I am fine with them being citizens. But, if both their parents are illegal, even though they are born in America, they should not be American citizens. If their parents have not rights, they ave no righty to have a a child in America. SImplae as that. Many immigrants are coming over just to have babies, then they go to a good American hospital in labor, and they dont have to pay for it, an their child is automatically an American citizen. That makes no sense. If your parents have no right neither do you. If you want to come into this country, do it !legally
     
  7. leroy

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    Just a shame that darn Constitution gets in the way of your argument.
     
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    It's about time someone had the guts to take this on. Bravo to Leo Berman.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    So you want to legislate pregnancy? Perhaps pregnant illegals should be forced to abort since that wouldn't require a change in the Constitution. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    I wasn't alive a hundred years ago yet when readings articles like this and the one about the town that wants to ban foreign flags even I feel deja vu all over again. The current paroxism regarding immigration both legal and illegal is just nativist paranoia again. Not all of the great waves of immigrants at the turn of the 20th C. was legal. Ellis Island was a highly confused and corrupt environment where many people came into this country with the wrong papers or even no papers. Much of the immigration of Chinese and other Asians during the time of the Exclusion Acts was illegal since there wasn't a way for Chinese to get here otherwise. During all of these times practically the same arguments regarding English, crime, security and taking American jobs were heard about nationalities ranging from the Irish to Philipinos. Heck I've even heard of anti-Swedish sentiments. Don't believe me read the story "Gravestone of Grain" which the movie Sweetland is based on where one of the characters is an illegal Swedish immigrant of German descent. For that matter Native Americans probably consider everyone who came here after 1492 illegal aliens.

    The country survived those waves became stronger. There is no way this country would be the industrial powerhouse without the cheap labor that immigrants brought now. Even now our economy is strong and inflation low partly because of illegal aliens. We've survived bigger waves of immigrations and we will survive this so called tsunami of Mexican and Central American immigrants.
     
    #10 Sishir Chang, Nov 19, 2006
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  11. Invisible Fan

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    The next wave will pit English speaking Hispanic Americans against future first generation Hispanic Immigrants. Americans hated the Italian and Irish wave. Then the Eastern European wave...followed by the Asian wave.

    Wonder if the nation will hold until then.
     

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