MManal - This summer Kandi is a QO FA. Qualifying Offers for Kandi begin at $6,364,353. Only the Bulls and the Wiz have the cap $ to be players. If the Bulls or Wiz bid more than QO amount, the Clipps can bid higher. If the bid is higher than the $6.3m amount, the choice becomes Kandi's. This is why I used $8m - as a backup in case there was a bid by another team. For 8m, I think Kandi stays in LA. Kandi can sign a 1 year deal but IMHO he will sign for about $8m for between 5 and 7 season with the 12.5% increase. Maybe I'm not explaining the very well. Kandi has the same QO FA status as LaFrentz and the Mavs can meet or beat any offer up to the max.
crash- not bad at all. Though, in addition to the "Does Miller=Baron?" argument, and the possible salary repercussions for LAC, I see one other possible flaw-Cleveland now has the 6, 8, 12, and 15 picks in the draft. That's FOUR 4 year contracts all starting together. You mentioned possibly moving some for future picks, but then things get more complicated, etc. Usually, a team would want to stagger them so they're not faced with 4 resignings at once. If you look at that, they'd have 4 firsts, and then 2 2nds-34 and 37 overall, which are high 2nds, so both would have a decent shot of making the team.....SIX rookies, plus their rookie from last year was a HSer, and is practically a rookie himself. I don't know if Cleveland, or any team, would have the guts to commit 40% of their 15 man roster to rookies. That's just committing absolute suicide in terms of making your fans at least think you have some shot of being a Cinderella in the playoffs-attendance would be absolutely down the drain. I'm not sure Cleveland's ownership would do that, as making them any more pathetic than they already are hurts their value in terms of selling, which they're rumored to be considering.
NIKE- with many teams trying to move up this year, the Cavs could move this years picks for a bunch of non-protected 1sts for the LeBron derby next year.
Here's the Clipps 2002-2004: 2002-2003 Elton Brand -----------$4,895,656 Andre Miller ---------- -$2,460,709 Michael Olowokandi--$8,000,000 Darius Miles----------- $3,267,960 Sean Rooks ---------- $2,640,000 Keyon Dooling ------- $1,769,760 Corey Maggette -----$2,069,764 Quentin Richardson--$1,174,080 Earl Boykins ------------$700,000 Terence Morris ---------$512,435 Jason Collier ----------$1,369,440 Harold Jamison -------- $650,000 DEREK STRONG -------$4,247,100 * released still hits cap FA's: Eric Piatkowski $0 Jeff McInnis $0 Obinna Ekezie $0 Doug Overton $0 Tremaine Fowlkes $0 SUBT ------------------- $33,756,904 2003-2004 Elton Brand---------- $11,000,000 Andre Miller---------- $11,000,000 Michael Olowokandi-$9,000,000 Darius Miles---------- $4,130,701 Keyon Dooling------- $2,256,444 Quentin Richardson-$1,805,735 Jason Collier----------$2,099,352----*TEAM OPTION Harold Jamison------ $700,000----*TEAM OPTION Corey Maggette $2,862,483----*QO FA -------------------------$44,854,715 2004-2005 Elton Brand-----------$12,375,000 Andre Miller-----------$12,375,000 Michael Olowokandi--$10,125,000 QO FA's Darius Miles---------- $5,419,480 Keyon Dooling------- $3,073,277 Quentin Richardson-$2,562,338 Jason Collier--------- $4,332,895 -------------------------$50,262,990 Assume a 10% cap growth rate and this is still under the cap.
Those are all good points but that many picks could make it a tad bit easier to move up or they could trade one or two of them to a team that really wants to move up like Dallas or Portland. The two second round picks could be used for a couple of Euro's that are not ready for NBA and leave them in Europe. I don't think it is to big of a stretch that a team would keep three firsts or even possibly 4 rookies. The Rox kept 4 last year and the Nets kept 3 first round picks. Your point is well taken though since the Nets had Jason Kidd and the Rockets had quite a bit of experience with Walt, Rice and Willis. The Cavs would have no real shot at a play off spot next year.
Gater-Teams trying to move up implies that they have a lower pick now, which means they're a better team, and not going to have a pick that would be in the thick of the LJ derby next year. And why would a terrible team give up it's pick unprotected for a 10ish pick?
NIKE What if there is someone the Wiz, Heat or Suns can't live without? How about #6 this year for Suns #19 and unprotected 1st next year? How good can the Nugz get in one draft? Especially if Dice leaves. How about #8 or #12 for Denvers 25 or 33 and an unprotected 1st?
You guys are on crack the only one with substantial value on that list is KT and that is barely substantial. I mean he is a good player and all but there is a good reason that there is not a glut of 6'7" Power Forwards. However the Cavs and Clips are bone heads.
I assume you are refering to what the Cavs are to recieve. KT put up very solid numbers last year against mostly West power forwards. KT would be much more than just a throw in. On top of that KT is inexpensive. The real value however is not with KT it is with the picks.
You don't like Miller? The guy avg's 11 assists a game, almost 17 pts a game along with 1.5 steals. He runs as good of a fast break as anyone and is not known for making many mistakes. Many people feel that Miller is a better point guard than Baron Davis and the Clipps have already made a serious offer for him. So what is your problem with Miller?
No one is hyping KT. He is what he is, and that is a very solid PF that can start for most teams in the east.
I love Miller. Didn't think he would do that well coming out of Utah but he proved me wrong. But Odom is a special player imo. I watched all his games his first year and this guys is a triple double waiting to happen. It's all mental with him (which might be a problem). Miller for Odom and #12 is more like it. Don't think he's worth Odom and TWO LOTTERY PICKS. In the end Odom might be the better player. But Miller has proven himself and is a model citizen so... I realize the trade isn't straight up but that's who the Clips give up and get.
BTW Millers f/g % is .450 and Kenny's was .478 which both happen to be better than Lamar's .419 so you might want to go back and check your stats before you start judging other players.
Odom is a triple double waiting to happen, I agree. However, he has been cought twice now for illegal drugs and he had a very bad year last year. His value is not exactly at an all time high. On top of all that the Clipps have Darius Miles waiting in the wings. Miller on the other hand has been just as special and more consistent the past three years and he lead the league last year in assists on one of the most pathetic offensive teams in the league. I think he is pretty special.
Hmm, I don't quite understand this. Is a Qualifying Offer FA the same as a Restricted FA? I didn't think the player had any choice on the matter no matter what. For instance let's say the Clips make their qualifying offer and then the Wizards make an offer for 24 million over three years. If the Clips match it, doesn't that mean Kandi is stuck in LA? From the Salary Cap FAQ: <i>When another team wants to sign a restricted free agent, it signs the player to an offer sheet, the principal terms of which the original team is given 15 days to match. The offer sheet must be for at least three seasons. If the player's original team exercises its right of first refusal by matching the principal terms of the offer sheet, <b>the player is then under contract to his original team and no longer a free agent.</b> If the player's original team does not exercise its right of first refusal within 15 days, the offer sheet becomes an official contract with the new team, and the player is no longer a free agent. </i> EDIT: Nevermind, I think I understand the difference between QO FA and Restricted FA now, but my question still stands. How does Kandi have a choice?
