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A new kind of politics: O got discounted mortgage

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jul 2, 2008.

  1. basso

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    First Dodd and Konrad, now the Bringer of Change. [rquoter]Obama Got Discount on Home Loan
    Campaign Defends Lower Rate as Lender Competition for Business

    By Joe Stephens
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, July 2, 2008; A03

    Shortly after joining the U.S. Senate and while enjoying a surge in income, Barack Obama bought a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in an upscale Chicago neighborhood. To finance the purchase, he secured a $1.32 million loan from Northern Trust in Illinois.

    The freshman Democratic senator received a discount. He locked in an interest rate of 5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage, below the average for such loans at the time in Chicago. The loan was unusually large, known in banker lingo as a "super super jumbo." Obama paid no origination fee or discount points, as some consumers do to reduce their interest rates.

    Compared with the average terms offered at the time in Chicago, Obama's rate could have saved him more than $300 per month.

    Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the rate was adjusted to account for a competing offer from another lender and other factors. "The Obamas have since had as much as $3 million invested through Northern Trust," he said in a statement.

    Modest adjustments in mortgage rates are common among financial institutions as they compete for business or develop relationships with wealthy families. But amid a national housing crisis, news of discounts offered to Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the banking committee, and Kent Conrad (D-N.D) by another lender, Countrywide Financial, has brought new scrutiny to the practice and has resulted in a preliminary Senate ethics committee inquiry into the Dodd and Conrad loans.

    Within Obama's presidential campaign organization, former Fannie Mae chief executive James A. Johnson resigned abruptly as head of the vice presidential search committee after his favorable Countrywide loan became public.

    Driving the recent debate is concern that public officials, knowingly or unknowingly, may receive special treatment from lenders and that the discounts could constitute gifts that are prohibited by law.

    "The real question is: Were congressmen getting unique treatment that others weren't getting?" associate law professor Adam J. Levitin, a credit specialist at Georgetown University Law Center, said about the Countrywide loans. "Do they do business like that for people who are not congressmen? If they don't, that's a problem."

    Under financial disclosure rules, members of Congress are not obliged to disclose debts owed to financial institutions for personal residences. Names of lenders and rates paid on mortgages sometimes can be determined by scrutinizing property transaction records. In March, in response to media questions, Obama posted on his campaign Web site records related to his house purchase.

    Last week, during debate on a bill to help homeowners caught in the foreclosure crisis, some members of the Senate ethics committee proposed an amendment to require that lawmakers disclose their mortgage lenders and loan terms in annual financial forms starting next year.

    In Obama's case, he received a lower rate than the average offered at the time in Chicago for similarly structured jumbo loans. He secured his final mortgage commitment on June 8, 2005, and during that week, rates on similar loans for which information is available averaged 5.93 percent, according to HSH Associates, which surveys lenders. Another survey firm, Bankrate.com, placed the average at 6 percent.

    "It's certainly safe to say that this borrower did better than average," said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president, noting that consumer rates vary widely. "It's a good deal."

    The Obama campaign called the rate "consistent with Northern Trust policies, and it reflected the base rate set for that period discounted to address the competition for the account and other opportunities, such as personal financial services, that the relationship would bring to Northern Trust."

    When the Obamas secured the loan, their income had risen dramatically. Obama assumed his Senate seat in January 2005, with an annual salary of $162,100. That same month, Random House agreed to reissue an Obama memoir, for which it originally paid $40,000, as part of a $2.27 million deal that included two future nonfiction books and a children's book.

    Around the same time, the University of Chicago Hospitals promoted Michelle Obama to a vice president and more than doubled her pay, to $317,000.

    The couple wanted to step up from their $415,000 condo. They chose a house with six bedrooms, four fireplaces, a four-car garage and 5 1/2 baths, including a double steam shower and a marble powder room. It had a wine cellar, a music room, a library, a solarium, beveled glass doors and a granite-floored kitchen.

    The Obamas had no prior relationship with Northern Trust when they applied for the loan. They received an oral commitment on Feb. 4, 2005, and locked in the rate of 5.625 percent, the campaign said. On that date, HSH data show, the average rate in Chicago for a 30-year fixed-rate jumbo loan with no points was about 5.94 percent.

    Jumbo loans are for amounts up to $650,000, but the Obamas' $1.32 million loan was so large that few comparables are available. Mortgage specialists say that many high-end buyers pay cash.

    Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, has no mortgages on properties he owns with his wife, Cindy, who is a multimillionaire.

    Unlike Countrywide, where leaked internal e-mails documented a special discount program for friends of chief executive Angelo Mozilo, Northern Trust says it has no formal program to provide discounts to public officials. Loan officers may consider a borrower's occupation when establishing an interest rate, the bank said.

    "A person's occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration," said Northern Trust Vice President John O'Connell. "That would apply to anyone seeking to get a mortgage at Northern Trust." He added that the rates offered to Obama were "consistent with internal Northern Trust rates at that time."

    "The bottom line is, this was a business proposition for us," he said. "Our business model is to service and pursue successful individuals, families and institutions."

    O'Connell referred additional questions to the campaign.

    Since 1990, Northern Trust employees have donated more than $739,000 to federal campaigns, including $71,000 to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Obama's house purchase has been a source of controversy. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that on the day of the closing, the wife of Obama's longtime friend and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko closed on an adjoining lot that had been the estate's side yard.

    The Obamas bought the house for $300,000 less than the asking price of $1.95 million, while Rezko's wife, Rita, bought the neighboring lot for the full asking price of $625,000. Rita Rezko later sold a portion of the undeveloped lot to the Obamas, enlarging the senator's yard.

    Tony Rezko already had been linked to a grand jury investigation involving public corruption. Last month, he was convicted of 16 counts in an influence-peddling scheme that reached the highest levels of Illinois state government.[/rquoter]
     
  2. BigBenito

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    So... are you or aren't you pro-torture now?
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    the good old boy network?
     
  4. BigBenito

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    copy/pasta from Sullivan.

    I love the insight Basso always posts w/ his pasta.
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    The Obama's just have no integrity... and all of this in the background while he is railing on predatory lenders and the evils of the mortgage industry. I've got a solution to the mortgage crisis -- just have Tony Rezko's wife buy everyone's house and finance it at a political-favor rate!

    Or have Trinity United pay for a nice house in the 'burbs!

    Eh, the mesmerized crowd of Obamatrons will ignore this as they continue to throw their underwear at him at political rallies.
     
  6. rocket3forlife2

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    Basso and the g.o.p are trying really hard...notice you did't post about mccain pulling a wesley snipes and not paying his taxes.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    this is sooooooooooo stupid. between this and the torture thread you're having a stellar day. rare form


    the piece is so stupid that it says that banks try to develop relationships with people with influence to bring in business and then a couple of lines down the article asks are senators/congressmen the only people who get gifts. it answered it own question already before asking

    much adoo about nada
     
  8. leroy

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    So, there was no relationship with the bank. They had substatial pay increases that year. Were public figures. Had what appears to be excellent credit. They got a whopping 3/10ths of a point discount from the average at the time, saving $300/month.

    Why exactly is this an issue?

    Granted, if I saved $300/month on my mortgage, I'd be dancing in the street.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    Poor basso is already in panic mode. :( Jorge is running away from e-challenges. It's tough to times to be a BBSpublican.
     
  10. Major

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    This is quite the stupid thread. Because he got a lower-than-average rate (which approximately 50% of Americans get), he did something wrong? What on earth?
     
  11. Deckard

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    I feel sorry for Barack. My interest rate is much lower than his.



    Impeach Bush/Cheney.
     
  12. Dubious

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    I'm all for a president that knows how to wrangle a good deal!

    Did you see how much money he had with that bank? They were going to beat anyones else's rate because they didn't want his money leaving their bank.

    They actually sorta charged him to borrow his own money.

    If there were any agreed upon legislative favor shown toward the bank then you would have something worth posting.
     
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    his negotiating skills can come in handy once he becomes prez
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    banks do a cost analysis when providing loans, the more money you have in the bank, the cheaper rate they can offer.

    really basso should apologize for posting this one
     
  15. SamFisher

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    I heard he once got his a pizza for free because it took an hour and a half to deliver it.

    A NEW KIND OF POLITICS INDEED HARRUMPH HARRUMPH LOOK AT ME I'M ON THE INTERNET! :rolleyes:
     
  16. Baqui99

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    I heard he saved a bunch of money on his car insurance by switching to Geico.
     
  17. RocketMan Tex

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    If this is the best the McBush team can do, Obama will win in a landslide.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

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    There will be better, although this is a nice jab. Expect uppercuts.
     
  19. Dubious

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    Basso wants Obama to have his knee scoped so the American people will know if it will hold up for 4 years. We can't get him in there and going on the IR.
     
  20. RocketMan Tex

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    :D

    I expect you to move to France after election day. I hear the Freedom Fries there are quite tasty!

    :D
     

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