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3rd Attempt: GOP/Trump Repeal & Replace ACA and Trump lie about pre-exist coverage

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

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    So... just what are "pre-existing conditions under Trump/Ryan/republican"Care"?

    OK, none of those effect you or members of your family? Just wait, there are more:
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/05/health/health-care-bill-pre-existing-conditions/

    Thanks Trump and republicans!!
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    This isn't getting passed, this is all for show.
     
  3. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    But but they set aside 8 billion(oh boy)! dollars for five years lol to help these people to get the insurance they need, that comes out to less than 200 dollars per person for the fifty million people for that time period! Yuge win!
     
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    This shirt is apparently selling like hotcakes with crookedmedia.com

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  5. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

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    Any guesses as to whether the trend line changes now that Trump and republicans have achieved their goal of repealing ACA?

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  6. fchowd0311

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    They are no where close to their goal. The Senate has more moderate Republicans and this bill will never pass through the Senate.
     
  7. dobro1229

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    Dodd Frank was also signed in 2010 too. Because of Obama's policy it was actually illegal for a Financial Advisor to NOT work in the best financial interest of their client believe it or not.

    Trump is now on his way to repealing that piece of legislation too so Joe Schmo can walk into an Edward Jones office and have a financial advisor mislead Joe into bankruptcy while Edward Jones collects the commissions.

    That along with 24+ million people now using the emergency room as their doctors office will surely spike up bankruptcies again.

    Thanks Trump!
     
  8. mtbrays

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    Should people who cannot afford to pay for healthcare be treated? Simple question. I'd actually respect the intellectual honesty if one of you who would just say "No, they should not receive treatment if they cannot pay."

    Are you going to register complaints about Congress voting on a bill that many admit they didn't read, wasn't posted online for three days prior to voting (the old GOP promise about transparency) and hasn't received a CBO score since healthcare impacts 1/6th of our economy? Or was it only possible for Obamacare to be "passed in the dead of night" while being "rammed down our throats" all before we "had to pass the bill to find out what was in it"?

    See how easy and fun blind partisanship is?
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, people were dying, and most folks in the country weren't happy about it. Costs were also rising and folks weren't happy about that either. Just because it happened before, doesn't mean it's okay to keep happening. People were upset about it and have been trying to address the problem for decades.

    Folks that have to go to the hospital can quite possibly doing damage to themselves. They are also costing everyone else huge amounts of money, and their own families suffer, their inability to work as much because of poor health has an effect as well.
     
  10. geeimsobored

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    Trump already halted the rule about financial advisers giving advice in the interest of their clients. You can currently walk into Edward Jones and get conned into buying their high-fee low return funds.
     
  11. mtbrays

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    I'll never understand how these who complain about the "assault on liberty" of a healthcare-based "redistribution of wealth" probably do not reside in the tax brackets affected, but act like affronted multi-millionaires. The "redistribution" of wealth will be felt by the rest of us if we return to the old system of poor people not paying medical bills, or middle-class families declaring bankruptcy because someone got cancer, and the rest of us have to pick up the tab when we look for insurance. That is tangible redistribution of wealth.

    No other developed nation is trying to set up a healthcare system like this. None. Why are we so desperate to hang onto it? Because people believe they may win the lottery some day and have to pay a bit more in taxes?
     
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    Because it's a sports team competition and they drew their line in the sand well before they actually understood what they were supporting and pride doesn't allow them to admit that they are irrational and stupid.
     
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    Listen, you. (Or, rather, read.) My grandma is still a prisoner in the commandeered Wal-Mart in Bumf***, Texas (that's thirty miles out past Burnet). Obama's troops put her there. We'll get her out with the help of God and President Klump.

    Grandpa, well, he's a hero. They didn't have enough space left in the former Wal-Marts that "closed". So they sent him to Devil's Island. He fashioned a raft from coconuts that he threw from a cliff and rode the seventh wave out to freedo.....(oh, wait, that's Papillon).
     
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    And many view themselves as Millionaires temporarily inconvenienced to live their substandard lives. :)
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    It's an exact mirror of pre-Civil War America where giant plantation owners and politicians convinced the common southerner they are only few steps away from becoming wealthy slave holding plantation owners and the damn federal government is what is preventing them from achieving their dreams.
     
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    r/fowardsfromgrandma
     
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  17. eric.81

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    I'm legit terrified. I've been on my employers' healthcare for the last 6 years. My wife also... well she's no longer working and our company is slowly sliding toward layoffs. Layoffs have actually already begun but don't pertain to my area of the company... yet.

    Please... senate... put this bill where it belongs... in the ground.
     
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  18. mtbrays

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    Wouldn't you prefer a nice, abstract increase in freedom instead?
     
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  19. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There should be a tiered health care system. Those that cannot afford to pay receive some minimum level of treatment at no cost at a government run clinic. This likely means there is a reduced number of tests, no experimental procedures, many times the person is seen by a nurse practitioner, palliative care for the dying instead of a likely useless series of measures with a miniscule chance of success, etc. Those that can afford to pay (either out of pocket, or through insurance) would receive that which they have bargained and paid for.
     
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    You should have nothing to worry about I am sure. President Trump promised insurance for everyone, the plans will be cheaper and better than under Obama. LOL
     
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