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2020 Presidential Election

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  1. RayRay10

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    Do your duty and vote this narcissist out this year. Enough is enough. "You're fired" would be so fitting.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ed-democrat-president-trump-must-be-defeated/

    We’ve never backed a Democrat for president. But Trump must be defeated.

    The authors are on the advisory board of the Lincoln Project.

    This November, Americans will cast their most consequential votes since Abraham Lincoln’s reelection in 1864. We confront a constellation of crises: a public health emergency not seen in a century, an economic collapse set to rival the Great Depression, and a world where American leadership is absent and dangers rise in the vacuum.

    Today, the United States is beset with a president who was unprepared for the burden of the presidency and who has made plain his deficits in leadership, management, intelligence and morality.

    When we founded the Lincoln Project, we did so with a clear mission: to defeat President Trump in November. Publicly supporting a Democratic nominee for president is a first for all of us. We are in extraordinary times, and we have chosen to put country over party — and former vice president Joe Biden is the candidate who we believe will do the same.


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    It is likely but not certain that this pandemic will be the biggest issue in the election. If that is the case, it makes it much more difficult for Trump to win. It also gives the Dems a better chance of taking the Senate.
     
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    This depends how things play out. If we aren't under lockdown and less than 100,000 Americans die Trump will declare it a victory and will say it was him alone that stopped it. If things are something like what it was prior to Mid March a lot of people might be receptive to that message just because he is the President at the time and people are feeling good they aren't under lockdown.
     
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    But... how did susan collins really feel?



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    That someone like her can be a senator shows how bad the system is
     
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    Too many people have lost folks they knew. Those memories will not fade enough and all they have to do is show the graphs with Trump spewing his lies and the clip of him saying he takes no responsibility. The message will be failed leadership and it will be effective.

    It won't change his base nothing will. But this will influence fence sitters, inspire anti-Trump turnout and that is what will hurt Trump the most. His base is already inspired to turn out, but no new voters will be inspired to turn out because of Trump's handling of the pandemic.
     
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    Just projecting, even with things as bad as they are now Trump's approval ratings are still in the 40% which is where has been most of the time. With everything his support hasn't been reduced to his core which is around 33% which is about the lowest he's dropped during his Presidency. Under normal conditions that isn't a winning formula but he won with 46% of the vote.

    We will see but in this day and age a lot can change between now and then but I don't think Trump losing is a sure thing.
     
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    The briefings aren’t working: Trump’s approval rating takes a dip

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/trump-approval-ratings-coronavirus-176105


    His Die Hard Core will support him no matter what, the same as Bernie's Core...

    But here is the issue....

    Every member that Trump loses, he's not gaining any new members....
    You have a split within the GOP...
    Trump is Losing or has lost a majority of Independent and Dems that voted for Him..
    Conservative Repubs will vote for Joe, before they vote Trump....
    There is no Clinton this time around (This one is huge)

    Bernie learned the same thing.... Yes Bernie had his Core group.. But he was not adding to that group..
    Bernie found out that the one thing that helped him last year was the HATE for Clinton... People are truly underestimating how much people hated her and would not vote for her.

    But as you stated... we will see..

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    I don't agree with this.

    There are gonna repercussions from this well past Nov, there is no way things go back to normal by then.

    There is no way the job market is gonna recover by then and many are gonna be making less than they did before the crisis.

    The people that will believe his message are not gonna vote for Biden anyway but the ones who have been in denial or just apathetic will be looking for something else.

    Now the real unknown for me is will him blaming the democrats for things not getting back to normal have any legs because you know thats what will be the game plan and you can see it bubbling up in states like Michigan and Ohio.
     
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    Even the guys kissing Trump's ass and being his "yes Massa" men put money and power above all else. They know he is nothing but a liar, but change their tune to keep their jobs.

    Cruz is a typical example. Not even 4 years ago (May 3, 2016) he said this:

    (CNN)Ted Cruz on Tuesday unloaded on Donald Trump, accusing him during a news conference of being a "pathological liar," "utterly amoral," "a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen" and "a serial philanderer."

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/donald-trump-rafael-cruz-indiana/index.html
     
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    Good for them and I wish them the best in taking back their party.

    I still want blood for the criminals who "just follow orders", but baby steps is the only way we operate in this country.
     
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    Yes, but there has hardly been a coordinated and concentrated effort designed at eroding that support. Occasionally people will point something out, and then point out the next thing he's done wrong. When the time comes the message will be much more unified and drilled into to people's consciousness with advertising, media appearances, etc.

    Trump and Republicans are putting out a coordinated messaging effort. The DNC hasn't even begun their messaging campaign, yet.
     
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    All they need to do is just use his own words...

    Trump is a walking disaster..





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    All they need to do is put out an ad of Trump quotes from his Twitter feed of all his lies. Oh, that would be real costly though because it would probably be a 2 hour ad.
     
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    The trump campaign...

     
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    Always love when the Republicans try to explain why they're trying to enforce their voter laws (or why, such as in Nevada, they won't even send a ballot to every registered voter).

    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/17/8366...rge-election-year-lawsuits-over-voting-rights

    Coronavirus Likely To Supercharge Election-Year Lawsuits Over Voting Rights

    Both Democrats and Republicans are turning to the courts to try to ensure that rules governing this year's election don't disadvantage their side. The litigation campaign has taken on a new urgency with the pandemic and its impact on people's willingness and ability to go to the polls in person.

    "I can assure you that we will not sit by and let Republican election officials, or the Republican Party, disenfranchise voters in a cynical effort to win elections at all costs," said Marc Elias, the lead attorney for the Democratic Party effort. "I expect several additional voting rights cases to be filed in the coming weeks and months, all aimed at protecting the right of voters to participate in elections and have their votes counted."

    The Republicans are ramping up their legal effort as well. The Republican National Committee and President Trump's reelection campaign announced in February that they would spend at least $10 million in the coming year to defend the integrity of U.S. elections and to fight Democratic efforts to weaken existing voting rules.

    RNC spokesperson Mike Reed noted that the effort was announced before the coronavirus pandemic disrupted the primaries and and that the party will likely spend much more.

    "Look, the Democrats are clearly trying to go into all these states and get the laws changed and so we're going to have to defend those laws," Reed told NPR.

    Republicans charge that Democrats are exploiting the current health crisis to secure a wish list of voting changes, including same-day voter registration and elimination of signature requirements intended to safeguard the vote-by-mail system.

    More at the link

     
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    I do. Trump will definitely do that, whether it will work is another thing.
     

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