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2017 Astros Minor League Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by tellitlikeitis, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Nolan was a 2-pitch pitcher until his early 30's, then he mastered the change with his fb/curve and he lasted another ~15 years. The change is the great equalizer. Whitley may flame out but he has everything that you'd want in a pitcher, that's the one guy I wouldn't trade instead of Martes/Pauino.

    And you're right, catching prospects might be the most difficult thing in baseball to scout.
     
  2. Snake Diggit

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    My takeaway from that was thinking about whether they construct their bullpen so it is composed of arms with repertoires complimentary to the rotation. If the rotation is made up of guys who work off their curve, a perfect bullpen would be made up of a mix of guys that work off their slider, heat, or changeup. Here's how the staff profiles in their primary pitch(es):

    Keuchel: sinker/slider
    McCullers: curve/FB
    McHugh: FB/curve/cutter
    Morton: sinker/curve
    Fiers: FB/curve
    Devenski: FB/changeup
    Feliz: FB/slider
    Peacock: FB
    Sipp: FB/slider
    Harris: cutter/curve
    Gregerson: slider/sinker
    Giles: FB/slider

    Musgrove: FB/slider
    Chapman: sinker/slider
    Hoyt: slider/FB
    Gustave: FB/slider
    Paulino: FB/curve
    Rodgers: FB/slider
    Tolliver: FB/changeup
    Guduan: FB

    Keuchel is the only SP that doesn't feature a curve. Harris is the only RP who throws a curve.
     
  3. tellitlikeitis

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    Baseball America is sending out their Prospect Handbooks starting today; I just got mine. As always, they'll give you an extra prospect report if you order from their website.

    So, let's get to it.

    Here's where Astros prospects ranked in each BA editor's personal top 50.

    Ben Badler

    19. Francis Martes
    21. A.J. Reed
    28. Kyle Tucker
    43. Franklin Perez

    J.J. Cooper

    8. Martes
    16. Tucker
    28. David Paulino
    48. Perez

    Matt Eddy

    16. Martes
    21. Tucker
    40. Paulino

    John Manuel

    14. Martes
    28. Tucker

    Kyle Glaser

    39. Martes
    42. Tucker

    Baseball America ranks the Astros system as 4th-best in the league, behind the Braves, Dodgers, and Yankees.

    Top 2017 Rookie: Martes

    Breakout prospect: RHP Hector Perez

    Sleeper: RHP Angel Macuare


    2016 draft analysis

    Best pure hitter: Ronnie Dawson, Ryne Birk
    Best power hitter: Dawson, Spencer Johnson

    On Johnson, who led Division I with 24 homers in 2016:
    Fastest runner: Stephen Wrenn
    Best defensive player: Jake Rogers
    Best fastball: Forrest Whitley
    Best secondary pitch: Whitley's curveball
    Best pro debut: Birk
    Best athlete: Wrenn, Dawson, Abraham Toro
    Most intriguing background: Stijn van der Meer; native of the Netherlands, was the SS for a team that won the European Championship, came to America to play for Lamar
    Closest to the Majors: Rogers, Whitley
    Best late-round pick: Birk
    The one who got away: Tyler Buffett

    Best Tools

    Best hitter for average: Kyle Tucker
    Best power hitter: A.J. Reed
    Best strike-zone discipline: Yulieski Gurriel
    Fastest baserunner: Myles Straw
    Best athlete: Daz Cameron
    Best fastball: Francis Martes
    Best curveball: Martes
    Best slider: Hector Perez
    Best changeup: Martes
    Best control: Brady Rodgers
    Best defensive catcher: Garrett Stubbs
    Best defensive infielder: Miguelangel Sierra
    Best infield arm: J.D. Davis
    Best defensive outfielder: Gilberto Celestino
    Best outfield arm: Teoscar Hernandez

    Projected 2020 lineup

    Uh... don't read too much into this?

    C: Stubbs
    1B: Reed
    2B: Altuve
    3B: Bregman
    SS: Correa
    LF: Kyle Tucker
    CF: Teoscar
    RF: George
    DH: Josh Reddick
    SP1: Martes
    SP2: Keuchel
    SP3: McCullers
    SP4: Musgrove
    SP5: Franklin Perez
    Closer: David Paulino (????)

    And now.... here are the Top 31 prospects in the Houston Astros organization. according to Baseball America:

    31. Reymin Guduan, LHP, 40/High
    30. Colin Moran, 3B, 40/Medium;
    29. Jose Luis Hernandez, RHP, 45/High
    28. Yordan Alvarez, 1B, 45/Extreme
    27. Tony Kemp, 2B/OF 40/Medium
    26. Freudis Nova, SS, 50/Extreme
    25. Lupe Chavez, RHP, 45/High
    24. Rogelio Armenteros, RHP, 40/Medium
    23. James Hoyt, RHP, 40/Medium
    22. Brady Rodgers, RHP, 40/Medium
    21. Trent Thornton, RHP, 45/High
    20. Jake Rogers, C, 45/High
    19. Gilberto Celestino, OF, 50/High
    18. Jandel Gustave, RHP, 50/High
    17. Jonathan Arauz, SS/2B, 50/High
    16. Hector Perez, RHP, 55/Extreme
    15. Ronnie Dawson, OF, 50/High
    14. Daz Cameron, OF, 50/High
    13. Ramon Laureano, OF, 50/High
    12. J.D. Davis, 3B, 45/Medium
    11. Miguelangel Sierra, SS/2B, 55/Extreme
    10. Garrett Stubbs, C, 50/High
    9. D.J. Fisher, OF, 50/Medium
    8. Yulieski Gurriel, 3B/1B, 50/Medium
    7. Teoscar Hernandez, OF, 55/High
    6. Forrest Whitley, RHP, 60/Extreme
    5. A.J. Reed, 1B, 55/High
    4. Franklin Perez, RHP, 60/High
    3. David Paulino, RHP, 60/High
    2. Kyle Tucker, OF, 60/Medium
    1. Francis Martes, RHP, 65/Medium

    Changes from 2016 Handbook

    In: Forrest Whitley, Yulieski Gurriel, Garrett Stubbs, Ramon Laureano, Ronnie Dawson, Hector Perez, Jonathan Arauz (was ranked in Phillies' system in 2016), Jake Rogers, Trent Thornton, Rogelio Armenteros, Lupe Chavez, Freudis Nova, Yordan Alvarez, Jose Luis Hernandez
    Out: Alex Bregman, Joe Musgrove, Mark Appel, Albert Abreu, Jon Kemmer, Tyler White, Thomas Eshelman, Max Stassi, Riley Ferrell, Wander Franco, Andrew Aplin, Alfredo Gonzalez, Matt Duffy, Nolan Fontana, Michael Freeman

    Biggest rise by someone who wasn't ranked: Ramon Laureano; unranked in 2016, #13 in 2017
    Biggest rise by someone who was already in the book: Franklin Perez; #21 in 2016, #4 in 2017
    Biggest drop: Jon Kemmer; #13 in 2016, unranked in 2017
    Biggest drop by someone still in the book: Colin Moran; #9 in 2016, #30 in 2017

    Brady Rodgers makes his third appearance in the Handbook; he's been ranked in the odd-numbered years since he's been drafted (2013, 2015) but has dropped out in the even-year editions.

    Breakdown

    By grade:
    1 65 (Martes)
    4 60s (Tucker, Paulino, Franklin Perez, Whitley)
    4 55s (Reed, Teoscar, Sierra, Hector Perez)
    10 50s (Yuli, Fisher, Stubbs, Laureano, Daz, Dawson, Arauz, Gustave, Celestino, Nova)
    6 45s (Davis, Rogers, Thornton, Chavez, Alvarez, Jose Luis Hernandez)
    6 40s (Rodgers, Hoyt, Armenteros, Kemp, Moran, Guduan)

    By position:
    12 right-handed pitchers
    1 left-handed pitcher
    2 catchers
    9 infielders
    7 outfielders (Kemp is also listed as an OF, but I counted him as an infielder)

    Like it? Hate it? Any surprises?

    Also, in case you were wondering.....

    - Josh Hader is #2 in the Brewers system with a grade of 55/Medium. Brett Phillips is #12 with a 55/High, and Jake Nottingham is #14 with a 50/High. Adrian Houser dropped out of their top 30 this year.
    - Rio Ruiz is #20 in the Braves system; he received a grade of 45/Medium.
    - Mark Appel is #20 in the Phillies system, with a grade of 40/Medium. Thomas Eshelman is #25, and he also received a 40/Medium grade.
    - Albert Abreu is the #9 prospect in the Yankees system; his grade is 55/High. Jorge Guzman is #26, with a grade of 50/Extreme.
    - Mike Hauschild, who was taken in the Rule 5 draft by Dallas, is #25 in their system with a grade of 40/Medium.
    - Brady Aiken is #4 in the Indians system with a grade of 60/Extreme.
    - Jacob Nix is #7 in the Padres system. He received a grade of 55/High.
    - Mac Marshall dropped out of the Giants' top 30; he was #28 in 2016.


    Cionel Perez was listed in the Appendix; he received a grade of 45/High.

    The Astros signed five of the top 50 international prospects:

    5. Freudis Nova, SS, Dominican Republic
    11. Yorbin Ceuta, SS, Venezuela
    40. Angel Macuare, RHP, Venezuela
    43. Nerio Rodriguez, C, Dominican Republic
    46. Deurys Carrasco, SS, Dominican Republic

    Best Tools, International Prospects
    BA notes that Ceuta has "demonstrated excellent bat-to-ball skills." Macuare's fastball already reaches 93-94. Nova was mentioned in the best athlete section, and BA describes him as having the "loudest all-around tool package."
     
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  4. Joe Joe

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    Thanks Tellit,

    Thinking the farm system is going to look a lot different next year. 6 of the top 10 may graduate. Expect another 2 could be traded if not more.
     
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    Where's the 3B in that 2020 lineup?
     
  6. BimaThug

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    Looks like that "trade" of Mark Appel (a 40) for Derek Fisher and Jonathan Arauz (both 50s) worked out okay.
     
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  7. Snake Diggit

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    Interesting they named Stubbs the best defensive catcher since Rogers' rep is so strong. Also interesting that sierras was named the best SS since he had such a good year with the bat.

    My sleeprs this year:
    IF: Freudys Nova
    OF: Celestino
    LHP: Cionel Perez (Framber Valdez runner up)
    RHP: Jose Hernandez
     
  8. Joe Joe

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    Baseball America's love for Stubbs's defense almost has no bounds. They talk about him being better than Rogers defensively in almost every way except durability (i.e. Stubbs probably limited to <120 games a year) and arm strength (Stubbs has better pop times so this advantage is muted). That is once they are able to talk after drooling over Stubbs's defensive game. They make Stubbs sound like he's mini Ausmus.
     
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    The interview that keeps giving...

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/sunday-notes-walshs-world-reds-best-mlb-politics-more/

    ...Organizations will sometimes ask a young pitcher to shelve an offering, at least temporarily, in order to better focus on another.

    “It’s on a case by case basis for us,” explained Elias. “It’s based on the judgement of our pitching coaches after a conversation with the player. If we were to take away a breaking ball, it would be because a guy has two and we thought one was so much worse than the other, or if we felt that using both was taking away from the quality of his primary breaking ball — there was starting to be some confusion between the two. Those would probably be the only reasons to subtract a pitch.”

    ———
     
  10. awc713

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    Thanks Tellit.

    What's the extreme, medium, high signal after the grade mean?
     
  11. tellitlikeitis

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    Risk
     
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    To add a little more, it is tough for pitchers to get a medium or a low risk. It is tough for hitters to get a medium or low risk prior to AA. Martes and Tucker being medium suggests they have a high likelihood of being a capable MLB player even if they end up as a RP or a 4th OF.
     
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    Thanks Tellitlikeitis, this is pure gold information ........ I appreciate you sharing...
     
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    I assumed so, even if only in split-squad games he'll be with the grownups plenty. I like it.
     
  16. The Drake

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    We thinking he starts the season in AA?
     
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    Since he only played 16 games at Hi-A last year, my guess is that is where he starts this year.
     
  18. tellitlikeitis

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    Astros on Baseball America Top 100 Prospects list

    15. Francis Martes
    19. Kyle Tucker
    51. David Paulino
    54. Franklin Perez
    72. A.J. Reed

     
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    Wow. They're gonna end up being the high guys in the industry on all those guys. I don't think I've seen people calling Martes and Tucker top 20 guys (particularly Tucker).
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    I'd go Carolina and then AA the second half of the year. But that all depends on him.
     

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