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2008 Baseball FA

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by WoodlandsBoy, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. WoodlandsBoy

    WoodlandsBoy Contributing Member

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    Now that it looks like we won't be getting anything special at the Trade deadline.

    In my opion we need a C, 2B, SS, CF or RF, #2 SP.

    Here is this offseasons FA list. Who should we get?

    First Basemen
    Sean Casey DET
    Tony Clark ARZ
    Jeff Conine PHI
    Julio Franco ATL
    Kevin Millar * BAL
    Olmedo Saenz LAD
    Mark Sweeney SF
    Mike Sweeney KC

    Second Basemen
    Marlon Anderson LAD
    Craig Biggio HOU
    Luis Castillo NYM
    Damion Easley NYM
    Mark Ellis * OAK
    Marcus Giles * SD
    Tony Graffanino MIL
    Mark Grudzielanek* KC
    Tadahito Iguchi PHI (if not signed to extension)
    Jeff Kent * LAD
    Kaz Matsui COL (if not signed to extension)
    Luis Rivas CLE
    Jose Valentin NYM

    Shortstops
    David Eckstein STL
    Cesar Izturis * PIT
    Ramon E Martinez* LAD
    John McDonald TOR
    Neifi Perez DET
    Juan Uribe * CHW
    Omar Vizquel SF

    Third Basemen
    Russell Branyan SD
    Corey Koskie * MIL
    Mike Lamb HOU
    Mike Lowell BOS
    Greg Norton * TB
    Abraham O. Nunez PHI
    Alex Rodriguez NYY (may void after 2007)

    Catchers
    Brad Ausmus HOU
    Paul Bako BAL
    Michael Barrett SD
    Gary Bennett * STL
    Ramon Castro NYM
    Wiki Gonzalez WAS
    Jason Kendall CHC
    Jason LaRue KC
    Paul Lo Duca NYM
    Damian Miller MIL
    Chad Moeller CIN
    Jose Molina NYY
    Josh Paul TB
    Jorge Posada NYY
    Ivan Rodriguez * DET
    Yorvit Torrealba COL
    Javier Valentin * CIN

    Outfielders
    Bobby Abreu * NYY
    Moises Alou * NYM
    Milton Bradley SD
    Eric Byrnes ARZ
    Mike Cameron SD
    Brady Clark BOS
    Jeff DaVanon ARZ
    Adam Dunn * CIN
    Jermaine Dye CWS
    Darin Erstad * CWS
    Kosuke Fukudome, Chunichi, Japan
    Luis Gonzalez LAD
    Shawn Green* NYM
    Eric Hinske BOS
    Torii Hunter MIN
    Geoff Jenkins * MIL
    Andruw Jones ATL
    Bobby Kielty OAK
    Rob Mackowiak * CWS
    Orlando Palmeiro HOU
    Corey Patterson BAL
    Aaron Rowand PHI
    Reggie Sanders KC
    Brad Wilkerson TEX

    Starting Pitchers
    Kris Benson * BAL
    Paul Byrd * CLE
    Shawn Chacon PIT
    Matt Clement BOS
    Bartolo Colon LAA
    Scott Elarton KC
    Josh Fogg COL
    Casey Fossum * TB
    Freddy Garcia PHI
    Livan Hernandez ARZ
    Jason Jennings HOU
    Brian Lawrence * COL
    Jon Lieber PHI
    Kyle Lohse PHI
    Rodrigo Lopez COL
    Wade Miller CHC
    Eric Milton CIN
    Odalis Perez * KC
    Joel Pineiro * BOS
    Kenny Rogers DET
    Curt Schilling BOS
    Carlos Silva MIN
    Julian Tavarez * BOS
    Brett Tomko * LAD
    Kip Wells STL
    Randy Wolf * LAD
    Jaret Wright BAL
    Carlos Zambrano CHC
    Victor Zambrano NYM

    Relief Pitchers
    Jeremy Affeldt COL
    Armando Benitez FLA
    Hector Carrasco * LAA
    Francisco Cordero MIL
    Rheal Cormier CIN
    Vic Darensbourg DET
    Elmer Dessens MIL
    Scott Eyre * CHC
    Trevor Hoffman * SD
    Jason Isringhausen* STL
    Todd Jones DET
    Jorge Julio COL
    Joe Kennedy OAK
    Byung-Hyun Kim FLA
    Scott Linebrink MIL
    Ron Mahay TEX
    Trever Miller HOU
    Mike Myers NYY
    Joe Nathan * MIN
    Joel Pineiro * BOS
    Chris Reitsma SEA
    Mariano Rivera NYY
    Rudy Seanez SD
    Mike Timlin BOS
    Mike Venafro MIN
    Luis Vizcaino NYY
    Bob Wickman ATL
    Scott Williamson BAL
    Jay Witasick TB
    Kerry Wood CHC
     
  2. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

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    No team is ever going to fill all their needs entirely thru free agency... unless you expect them to have a $150 million dollar payroll.

    There will be player development assessment, as well as possible off-season trades that will land pieces... not simply "lets sign a free agent that's available for every need."

    I see them using FA money on starting pitching, and an outfielder. I see them using in-house players for bullpen pitchers, potential catchers, and utility men.
     
  3. Aceshigh7

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    Pitching is the most important need by far. I'd like us to sign Freddy Garcia cheap and also swing a trade for another SP.
     
  4. A-Train

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    I hear that Craig Biggio guy is pretty good...
     
  5. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    I agree that the Astros will try to use FA money on starting pitching. They'll also try to address another position as well through FA, but don't think they'll limit it to the OF. It will depend on what's out there for what price.
     
  6. Master Baiter

    Master Baiter Contributing Member

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    If we bring back Brad Ausmus as a player next year, I will be super pissed.
     
  7. BenignDMD

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    What do the *'s mean?
     
  8. WoodlandsBoy

    WoodlandsBoy Contributing Member

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    Player Option

    Who do you want them sign as the SP & Position Player and at what price?
     
  9. No Worries

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    Be prepared to be very pissed.
     
  10. htownbball

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    2B isnt really a need...we have burke and the astros believe he is the starting 2B next year. what we need is burke to produce like we know he can.

    SS, again, not a need since management is hung up on adam everett as the starter, and i really have no problem with that as long as they upgrade at other positions like catcher

    CF/RF coulda been solved with qualls for bourn, but purpura doesnt wanna take chances on young players and philly was reluctant to give him up. Aaron Rowand should be a target.

    SP market is gonna be thin, we're prolly gonna resign Jennings anyway to save face on the trade.

    C is gonna be really hard to come by in FA. we need to trade for kelly shoppach IMO. reminds me of John Buck, wont hit for a real high average and will K more than you'd like, but should hit close to 20 homers and is very good defensively.

    2B Burke
    RF Pence
    1B Berkman
    LF Lee
    3B Wiggy
    CF Rowand
    C Shoppach
    SS Everett

    Oswalt
    Sampson
    Jennings
    Wandy
    Woody/Backe/Albers/Patton/Gutierrez

    im not sure why the organization treats sampson like a 2nd class citizen. he throws strikes and is very efficient. he's what they were hoping Jennings was gonna be. he's more of a 3 type starter, but he keeps us in games and his efficiency allows him to eat up innings. if wandy can figure out his away problems, we could really have something. until then, he's our 4th starter.
     
  11. htownhustla

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    PLease for the love of god, no more woody :mad: . I am hopin our starter include oswalt, sampson, backe and maybe wandy if he can learn to pitch the way he does at home everywhere. I would love to pick up carlos zambrano, but i highly doubt that is even possible.
     
  12. htownhustla

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    i wouldnt mind them bring patton up this year to see what he's made of.
     
  13. Nick

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    Is there really much upside to that? (besides some 3-day hype in an otherwise lackluster remainder of the season).

    At a best case scenario, he blows away all expectations to close the season, and we get really excited about our prognosis next year...even though we're basing it all on simply a couple of months of performance from a pitcher which the league never saw before, and who most likely didn't have to face teams a 2nd or 3rd time... (when the book starts to get out on him).

    The bad scenarios far outweigh:
    a.) he's not ready, and he bombs
    b.) he overcompensates by trying to impress (for next year)... which often causes mechanical issues/poor performance/injury.
    c.) he simply doesn't have the stuff to be a rotation starter in Houston... and the team has to grapple whether or not to assess his 2 month run as something he can build on, or as a reflection of what his future will be like (this last one is a little extreme, given his young young age... but had he been 3 years older, it would be a carbon copy of what they had to go thru with Jason Hirsh this off-season).

    The main thing holding him back is what holds most pitchers back... their age, and the fact that their arms are still developing/in-training to turn into every 4th-day big league starters. Most of the youngins who come (i'm talking the 19, 20, 21 year olds) invariably have some arm issues... something that the 23 and 24 year olds aren't as plagued with.

    Patton is, however, being fast-tracked like no other pitcher in the organization before him (not even Oswalt... who wasn't straight out of HS)... so maybe they do roll the dice this year.

    If it were up to me, I'd closely watch how he approaches the more experienced/veteran hitters the rest of the season at AAA, and if all goes well, give him every chance in spring training to make this club as a starter.
     
  14. htownhustla

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    Nick,
    I never thought bout it like that. I guess a bad outing would hinder his progress. I just thought it was kinda like bball. where the more experience against the better players would prepare him better. Let him get his feet wet and see what he can do ya know? Good points though
     
  15. conquistador#11

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    I can't believe we are already looking to the 2008 class of free agents,when we should be enjoying another 29 game hitting streak by willy t :(

    the downfall of the 'yanquis' was that in their pursuit of free agents, they neglected their own farm system. Money does not buy happiness, i mean victories. But i do like freddy garcia and carlos silva also :)
     
  16. Joe Joe

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    I'd start by looking at Zambrano since he's good and plays within the division. I don't have dollar figures in mind since MLB prices seem to change every year. He'll probably be way too expensive and the Astros will try to get two SPs like Jennings and Wells.
     
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    Kosuke Fukudome
     
  18. Zac D

    Zac D Contributing Member

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    I honestly think we go into next year with this lineup:

    2B Burke
    CF Pence
    1B Berkman
    LF Lee
    3B Wigginton
    RF Scott
    C Munson
    SS Everett

    Throw A-Rod money* at Zambrano.

    * denotes exaggeration
     
  19. Creepy Crawl

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    If thats our line-up next year .......... we'll be in for another long year .
     
  20. Zac D

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    Maybe. Unless Burke hits like he showed he can in '06, Scott hits consistently like he has on occasion, Wigginton hits toward the high side of his career numbers, and the pitching staff is improved via FA or trade.
     

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