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‘Against nature’: Erdogan's gender inequality comments at women's rights conference spark outrage

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Nov 24, 2014.

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  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    Turkey’s president says men and women cannot be equal, and that feminists don’t understand motherhood. Recep Tayyip Erdogan caused widespread offence with his comments at a conference on women’s rights in Ankara.

    “You cannot make women and men equal; this is against nature,” Erdogan stated on Monday.

    “You cannot subject a pregnant woman to the same working conditions as a man. You cannot make a mother who has to breastfeed her child equal to a man. You cannot make women do everything men do like the communist regimes did… This is against her delicate nature,” he added.

    He added that feminists “don’t accept the concept of motherhood.”

    “But those who do understand are enough for us. We'll continue down this path with them,” he stated.

    Commentators on social media have aired incredulity over his comments, with one user tagging them #NatoEmbarrassment and another referring to him as “Turkey's creepy-grandpa-in-chief.”

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    Another observed that it proved “secularism is dead in Turkey.”

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    Our religion has given women a station: the station of motherhood,” Erdogan stated, also citing a hadith of the Prophet Mohammed that says “Heaven lies at the foot of your mother,” and adding that he used to kiss his mother’s feet because of it.

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    A conference attendee was forced out of the hall after interrupting a speech by Family and Social Policies Minister Ayşenur İsla. She insisted on putting her question to the minister as he made his speech rather than waiting until the end, after which she was removed by security guards.

    Erdogan’s statement’s on women’s right and gender equality are often met with criticism by local feminist groups. In April this year, he said that he does not “believe in equality between men and women,” which also triggered condemnation.

    This August the president also drew ire by saying that every woman in Turkey should have at least three children. He proposed limiting abortion rights and the use of morning-after pill.

    In one recent case, Erdogan called a prominent female journalist a “shameless woman” and told her “to know your place.”

    http://rt.com/news/208315-erdogan-women-men-equal/
     
    #1 AroundTheWorld, Nov 24, 2014
  2. Kevooooo

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    "You cannot subject a pregnant woman to the same working conditions as a man"

    At least he got something right.

    I've said this on numerous occasions, the Muslim treatment of women rests on the interpretation of a few Surahs, most notably The Cow (I think). Essentially, the surah states that men and women are of different "darajas," or degrees. It doesn't stipulate that one is of a lower degree, just DIFFERENT degrees. That has been corrupted through the years to mean that men are superior to women.

    Also, you have to understand the Qur'an in the 7th century sense. Arabs were very tribal and had to protect women. The early cultures in both Arabia and Europe weren't particularly kind to women. That has changed dramatically in the West as we move further and further away from being DOMINATED by religious philosophy.
     
    #2 Kevooooo, Nov 24, 2014
  3. Rocket River

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    Americans cannot understand DIFFERENT as a neutral

    We only accept Different as Superior and Inferior. . . . Better or Worse
    Their has to be some valuation on it .. . . like all things capitalistic

    Rocket River
     
    #3 Rocket River, Nov 24, 2014
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    It isn't complicated. Erdogan is a bigot.
     
    #4 Deckard, Nov 24, 2014
  5. Faust

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    different aint neutral. when the kids in school would bully the quiet, little guy who kept to his books while they played football it's cuz he was "different". i dont see what capitalism has to do with anything. everything has a rank. our country and our society is #1. nothing capitalism about saying that.
     
    #5 Faust, Nov 24, 2014
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    #1 in what besides size of economy and defense expenditure?
     
    #6 Deji McGever, Nov 24, 2014
  7. Faust

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    well we're #1 for gun ownership, giving foreign aid, our free government and democracy, our colleges, our money per person, and obviously economy is a big deal. i tried to look up stuff that were #1 because i thought you were making fun of our country but turns out were not like our health care, education, highways, middle class size and power etc. i take back what i said.
     
    #7 Faust, Nov 24, 2014
  8. trustme

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    There's a whole chapter called An-Nisa (The Women) dedicated to...women.
     
    #8 trustme, Nov 24, 2014
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    I think this is all being blown out of proportion.

    And that last tweet...he defines women as mothers. What the hell is wrong with that? And men are fathers....do people have an issue with that as well? Seriously people trying to nit pick Islam and Muslims so much these days. Sick to my stomach.
     
    #9 trustme, Nov 24, 2014
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/UN_Women">@UN_Women</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/phumzileunwomen">@phumzileunwomen</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/e_nyamayaro">@e_nyamayaro</a> <a href="http://t.co/YkvWKN3iqo">pic.twitter.com/YkvWKN3iqo</a></p>&mdash; Emma Watson (@EmWatson) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmWatson/status/495304156295749633">August 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Americans? I was referring to hard line conservative Muslims, like te Taliban or the Wahhabists. But yes many Americans don't understand moderate Muslim culture either.
     
    #11 Kevooooo, Nov 24, 2014
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    ATW must be disappointed ..he was expecting a harsh criticism of Urdogan..

    Not an explanation of how women different from men
     
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    Apples and oranges are different. That's neutral...
     
    #13 iconoclastic, Nov 25, 2014
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