1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

NFL probing Patriots' possible use of deflated balls during AFC Championship

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by tallanvor, Jan 19, 2015.

Tags:
Page 34 of 42
  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Messages:
    26,731
    Likes Received:
    3,479
    probably working a deal for brady playing after they found out goodell is overseeing the appeal.
     
    #661 Bandwagoner, May 19, 2015
  2. thejav

    thejav Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Messages:
    3,017
    Likes Received:
    347
    [​IMG]
     
    #662 thejav, Jul 26, 2015
  3. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,410
    Likes Received:
    156,236
    NFL informs officials of new procedures for game balls

     
    #663 J.R., Jul 27, 2015
  4. ghettocheeze

    ghettocheeze Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    7,325
    Likes Received:
    9,134
    Lets see...

    Steve Bisciotti, Jim Irsay, and Jerry Jones lobbying Roger Goddell to uphold Tom Brady's suspension while employeeing domestic abusers, wife-beaters, and in one case being a drug addict and convicted drunk driver, is simply hilarious.

    Robert Kraft should publicly ridicule them at the next owners meeting.

    This is the end of the line for Roger Goodell. The writing is on the wall. He's got owners bashing each other. No way out. Brady will end up in Canton, Goodell will be unemployed.
     
    #664 ghettocheeze, Jul 27, 2015
    1 person likes this.
  5. plutoblue11

    plutoblue11 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2006
    Messages:
    10,526
    Likes Received:
    1,009

    Yeah, because cheating totally doesn't affect the integrity of the game in no way. As horrible as those other things are, they don't undermine the rules of the game.
     
    #665 plutoblue11, Jul 28, 2015
  6. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2001
    Messages:
    6,477
    Likes Received:
    2,071
    I love Pats fans justification of cheating. Humans are remarkable at protecting their ego.
     
    #666 Joshfast, Jul 28, 2015
  7. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,410
    Likes Received:
    156,236
    Brady's 4 game suspension has been upheld.

     
    #667 J.R., Jul 28, 2015
  8. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2003
    Messages:
    47,439
    Likes Received:
    17,076
    2:30 on a Tuesday?

    Someone failed Public Relations 101.
     
    #668 DonnyMost, Jul 28, 2015
  9. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,414
    Likes Received:
    15,848
    The fact that Brady would destroy his cell phone that he knows is part of an ongoing investigation is enough for me. At that point, he loses any benefit of the doubt and there's really no reason to trust his story.
     
    #669 Major, Jul 28, 2015
  10. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,482
    Likes Received:
    51,919
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady &amp; NFLPA will see the NFL in court. 2 options: fast-track it with an injunction or slow-play, keep it going until after the season</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/626101593709129728">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Final decision on the appeal(20 pages):

    http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/07/28/0ap3000000504265.pdf
     
    #670 zeeshan2, Jul 28, 2015
  11. Junkyard_Dog

    Junkyard_Dog Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2013
    Messages:
    5,290
    Likes Received:
    1,908
    Destroyed his cellphone that was to be used as evidence?

    Obviously the actions of an innocent man ;)
     
    #671 Junkyard_Dog, Jul 28, 2015
  12. RunninRaven

    RunninRaven Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2000
    Messages:
    15,009
    Likes Received:
    2,633
    I doubt it. Even if the owners don't especially like Goodell, the league is making more money than it ever has, and that translates to the owners making more money than they ever have. I doubt they decide to rock that boat and potentially derail the gravy train, crashing the plane into the mountain. And other transportation metaphors.

    Seriously though, Goodell is a tool, but his job is secure.
     
    #672 RunninRaven, Jul 28, 2015
  13. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2000
    Messages:
    21,625
    Likes Received:
    6,257
    What does goodell have have to do with the contracts. Anyone could be the commish. What exactly does he do. He isn't lawyer. He is just some dude that just worked there a while. He isn't particularly smart or done anything notable just some guy who happen to be at the right place and make the right friends. Every sport league has seen record television deals. Football just happens to be the most popular sport and has been so since the 80s.
     
    #673 Air Langhi, Jul 28, 2015
  14. ghettocheeze

    ghettocheeze Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    7,325
    Likes Received:
    9,134
    Why Brady is going to win in federal court:

    1. Wells claimed that Brady was at least "generally aware" of the misconduct. The NFLPA would argue being "generally aware" of something has no legal grounds. Either Wells found clear evidence that Brady committed some sort of wrongdoing or he didn't.

    2. The NFL policy for handling footballs, among other team equipment, is in a club manual that pertains to team employees — not players. They'll argue Brady was suspended on a rule that doesn't even apply to him.

    3. Even if the club rules did apply to him, the NFLPA will argue there was no such precedent for a four-game suspension. Under the agreed-upon collective-bargaining agreement, players have a right to know the specific consequences for specific violations of league rules.

    4. The NFLPA plans to cite a specific example to further prove Brady's suspension is unwarranted based on the current rules. They plan to reference an incident that occurred last year when the NFL caught the Minnesota Vikings tampering with footballs by placing them in a dryer, a violation of the club manual. The Vikings punishment was reportedly just a letter from the NFL — no fine, loss of draft picks, or suspension.

    5. Lastly, the NFLPA would question Wells' procedure for measuring the footballs, saying there was never a previous set standard to do so.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/patriots-deflategate-tom-brady-suspension-2015-7#ixzz3hDkID4AR
     
    #674 ghettocheeze, Jul 28, 2015
  15. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,482
    Likes Received:
    51,919
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady’s agent, Don Yee: “The appeal process was a sham, resulting in the Commissioner rubber-stamping his own decision.”</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/626131938936492032">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
    #675 zeeshan2, Jul 28, 2015
  16. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,482
    Likes Received:
    51,919
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting. <a href="https://twitter.com/judybattista">@judybattista</a> says the sides were moving close to a 1-game suspension settlement. But Brady wanted records sealed. NFL wouldn’t</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/626137319171559425">July 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
    #676 zeeshan2, Jul 28, 2015
  17. Two Sandwiches

    Two Sandwiches Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2002
    Messages:
    22,610
    Likes Received:
    14,200
    If Brady really did destroy his cellphone, he deserves a full year.

    This is BS. Even at four games. If he gets less, and doesn't buck up, I hope he's banned from the Hall.
     
    #677 Two Sandwiches, Jul 28, 2015
  18. Space Ghost

    Space Ghost Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    15,061
    Likes Received:
    6,241
    I would imagine he had more incriminating evidence of nefarious activity than deflategate.
     
    #678 Space Ghost, Jul 28, 2015
  19. Icehouse

    Icehouse Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2000
    Messages:
    13,391
    Likes Received:
    3,735
    I thought his suspension was moreso related to not complying with the investigation?
     
    #679 Icehouse, Jul 28, 2015
  20. ghettocheeze

    ghettocheeze Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    7,325
    Likes Received:
    9,134
    Even that's a problem because per the CBA, players can only suspended for violations of conduct and/or drug policy with proper notification of violation and penalty. Goodell suspended Brady based on the Wells report which concludes that Brady "more likely than not" participated in the deflating of footballs. Now after his appeal, Goodell has switched stances and made this about not cooperating with an investigation. Again, there is no requirement per CBA to comply with any investigation. This was not like a federal subpoena that he failed to comply with. So, in a court Brady's going to have this thrown out.

    Bottom line is Goodell even with all his power and discretion can't simply suspend players and keep changing the cause of the suspension at his whim.
     
    #680 ghettocheeze, Jul 28, 2015
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 34 of 42

Share This Page

Toggle Width
Style
ClutchFans Original

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Rockets Content

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now