ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Blazers 11/16/2012

[JK1]

Originally Posted by Entropy I'd ask you to go back to New York or wherever it is you're from before you started worshiping Lin, but that's probably not going to happen either.

wrong again MOFO, im out. im tired of your sorry ass posts - you think your smart, but you are fool.

[torocan]

Originally Posted by SuperStar Different style I guess but if you have someone that can shoot I rather have TD's type of defense rather than the give space and react type which is why Sampson probably went with TD. Lin does get caught helping often and seems like he has more trouble fighting screens.

The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective.

Lin's approach to defense is similar to Battier's... he doesn't try to out jump you, or out speed you, he moves his body to cut off lanes, he stays in front to funnel you to bad shooting spots, and he bodies up or sags back to give you the lowest percentage shots.

It's why Lillard had ZERO assists going into the 4th quarter.

All TD can do is try to deflect a pass. Lin however plays a more cerebral (and statistically more effective) form of defense.

Let's do a basic math exercise.

If you reduce a shooter over 10 shots from 50% to 40%, they score 18 instead of 20 points.

However, a SINGLE steal has the SAME impact as 10% reduction over 10 shots. Lin gets 2.5 steals PER GAME.

Now, to get an idea of how HUGE that is in terms of reducing an opponents ability to score, let's take a look at Lin's defensive plays.

According to Synergy Sports....

Over 9 games, Lin was involved in 117 Defensive plays. This includes direct isolation defense, defense of the PnR ball handler, help defense, and other defense related moves.

Over those 117 Defensive plays, he stole the ball 21 Times. Think about that... about 1/6 times he defends someone he STEALS the ball.

That means 21/117 times the Opponent gets a BIG FAT ZERO on that play.

By virtue of his quick hands, he automatically reduces the shooting percentage of his opponents by approximately 17.9%.

On TOP of that he has 6 BLOCKS. Big fat ZERO's for the opponents.

Toss in his ability to drive players to the right spots, stay in front of his defender, fight over picks, his willingness to take charges, AND his good rotation defense and you have a borderline ELITE defender.

How Good is his Defense?

According to Synergy Sports, Lin allows 0.71 Points per Possession... good enough as of tonight to rank him as 49th in the NBA. That's 49th out of ALL positions, NOT among PG's... in a league with 400+ players, MOST of whom are bigger, Longer AND Stronger than him.

Where does Toney Douglas rank?

0.87 ... good enough for 151st in the League. Or above average.

That said, Toney waves his arms alot.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by JK1 wrong again MOFO, im out. im tired of your sorry ass posts - you think your smart, but you are fool.

If you're so tired of them, you wouldn't be responding to them so much. You should probably stop trying to attack me or insult me, and just talk about basketball, which you might be better at.

[just a word]

pft, oh D'Antoni. You know where it's at.

Mike D'antoni on Tony Douglas' role - 3/6/12 (LOL)
http://youtu.be/n7pK8vQeePM

[Coban Hutton]

Originally Posted by torocan The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective. Lin's approach to defense is similar to Battier's... he doesn't try to out jump you, or out speed you, he moves his body to cut off lanes, he stays in front to funnel you to bad shooting spots, and he bodies up or sags back to give you the lowest percentage shots. It's why Lillard had ZERO assists going into the 4th quarter. All TD can do is try to deflect a pass. Lin however plays a more cerebral (and statistically more effective) form of defense.

Maybe you could coach the Rockets, torocan. Couldn't possibly be worse.



Trusting Toney Douglas over Lin is a firing offense. Has Sampson not seen ONE Knicks game? Coaches do not put Toney in at the end of games.

[just a word]

Originally Posted by torocan According to Synergy Sports, Lin allows 0.71 Points per Possession... good enough as of tonight to rank him as 49th in the NBA. That's 49th out of ALL positions, NOT among PG's... in a league with 400+ players, MOST of whom are bigger, Longer AND Stronger than him.

Now I'm curious, where does he rank in defense among PG's? Are there any PG's allowing less PPP than Lin?

[kianainhi]

Originally Posted by torocan The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective. Lin's approach to defense is similar to Battier's... he doesn't try to out jump you, or out speed you, he moves his body to cut off lanes, he stays in front to funnel you to bad shooting spots, and he bodies up or sags back to give you the lowest percentage shots. It's why Lillard had ZERO assists going into the 4th quarter. All TD can do is try to deflect a pass. Lin however plays a more cerebral (and statistically more effective) form of defense. Let's do a basic math exercise. If you reduce a shooter over 10 shots from 50% to 40%, they score 18 instead of 20 points. However, a SINGLE steal has the SAME impact as 10% reduction over 10 shots. Lin gets 2.5 steals PER GAME. Now, to get an idea of how HUGE that is in terms of reducing an opponents ability to score, let's take a look at Lin's defensive plays. According to Synergy Sports.... Over 9 games, Lin was involved in 117 Defensive plays. This includes direct isolation defense, defense of the PnR ball handler, help defense, and other defense related moves. Over those 117 Defensive plays, he stole the ball 21 Times. Think about that... about 1/6 times he defends someone he STEALS the ball. That means 21/117 times the Opponent gets a BIG FAT ZERO on that play. By virtue of his quick hands, he automatically reduces the shooting percentage of his opponents by approximately 17.9%. On TOP of that he has 6 BLOCKS. Big fat ZERO's for the opponents. Toss in his ability to drive players to the right spots, stay in front of his defender, fight over picks, his willingness to take charges, AND his good rotation defense and you have a borderline ELITE defender. How Good is his Defense? According to Synergy Sports, Lin allows 0.71 Points per Possession... good enough as of tonight to rank him as 49th in the NBA. That's 49th out of ALL positions, NOT among PG's... in a league with 400+ players, MOST of whom are bigger, Longer AND Stronger than him. Where does Toney Douglas rank? 0.87 ... good enough for 151st in the League. Or above average. That said, Toney waves his arms alot.

Torocan....please I'm begging you to apply for the coaching job of this team.

[rocketlauch]

Originally Posted by torocan The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective. Lin's approach to defense is similar to Battier's... he doesn't try to out jump you, or out speed you, he moves his body to cut off lanes, he stays in front to funnel you to bad shooting spots, and he bodies up or sags back to give you the lowest percentage shots. It's why Lillard had ZERO assists going into the 4th quarter. All TD can do is try to deflect a pass. Lin however plays a more cerebral (and statistically more effective) form of defense. Let's do a basic math exercise. If you reduce a shooter over 10 shots from 50% to 40%, they score 18 instead of 20 points. However, a SINGLE steal has the SAME impact as 10% reduction over 10 shots. Lin gets 2.5 steals PER GAME. Now, to get an idea of how HUGE that is in terms of reducing an opponents ability to score, let's take a look at Lin's defensive plays. According to Synergy Sports.... Over 9 games, Lin was involved in 117 Defensive plays. This includes direct isolation defense, defense of the PnR ball handler, help defense, and other defense related moves. Over those 117 Defensive plays, he stole the ball 21 Times. Think about that... about 1/6 times he defends someone he STEALS the ball. That means 21/117 times the Opponent gets a BIG FAT ZERO on that play. By virtue of his quick hands, he automatically reduces the shooting percentage of his opponents by approximately 17.9%. On TOP of that he has 6 BLOCKS. Big fat ZERO's for the opponents. Toss in his ability to drive players to the right spots, stay in front of his defender, fight over picks, his willingness to take charges, AND his good rotation defense and you have a borderline ELITE defender. How Good is his Defense? According to Synergy Sports, Lin allows 0.71 Points per Possession... good enough as of tonight to rank him as 49th in the NBA. That's 49th out of ALL positions, NOT among PG's... in a league with 400+ players, MOST of whom are bigger, Longer AND Stronger than him. Where does Toney Douglas rank? 0.87 ... good enough for 151st in the League. Or above average. That said, Toney waves his arms alot.

Thanks Torocan, can you also give a breakdown of how many of the 49 players ahead of lin are starters (tasked with guarding higher skilled offensive players)?

[mirus]

Originally Posted by Coban Hutton Maybe you could coach the Rockets, torocan. Couldn't possibly be worse. Trusting Toney Douglas over Lin is a firing offense. Has Sampson not seen ONE Knicks game? Coaches do not put Toney in at the end of games.

dantoni knew that,woodson knew it too.(although i think woodson is a good regular season coach)

[FacePalmMaster]

Originally Posted by Mr. Space City .....

I'm Asian, I've been called Chink boy, gook, etc. "Chinese boy" is considered tame. I have had ching-chong b.s. like what Shaq did to make fun of my language and my heritage. I do not find it funny. Yao is from China, he was relatively new to this country so he hasn't been fully exposed to the kind of racism that minorities experience growing up. And he is in the spotlight so he can afford to be gracious in the media. But just because Yao is ok with it, does not mean that me or any person of minority descent is ok with it.

And please don't act like this kind of stuff doesn't happen...even in the NBA or any organization. I'm pretty sure it does.

[kinein]

Originally Posted by torocan The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective. Lin's approach to defense is similar to Battier's... he doesn't try to out jump you, or out speed you, he moves his body to cut off lanes, he stays in front to funnel you to bad shooting spots, and he bodies up or sags back to give you the lowest percentage shots. It's why Lillard had ZERO assists going into the 4th quarter. All TD can do is try to deflect a pass. Lin however plays a more cerebral (and statistically more effective) form of defense. Let's do a basic math exercise. If you reduce a shooter over 10 shots from 50% to 40%, they score 18 instead of 20 points. However, a SINGLE steal has the SAME impact as 10% reduction over 10 shots. Lin gets 2.5 steals PER GAME. Now, to get an idea of how HUGE that is in terms of reducing an opponents ability to score, let's take a look at Lin's defensive plays. According to Synergy Sports.... Over 9 games, Lin was involved in 117 Defensive plays. This includes direct isolation defense, defense of the PnR ball handler, help defense, and other defense related moves. Over those 117 Defensive plays, he stole the ball 21 Times. Think about that... about 1/6 times he defends someone he STEALS the ball. That means 21/117 times the Opponent gets a BIG FAT ZERO on that play. By virtue of his quick hands, he automatically reduces the shooting percentage of his opponents by approximately 17.9%. On TOP of that he has 6 BLOCKS. Big fat ZERO's for the opponents. Toss in his ability to drive players to the right spots, stay in front of his defender, fight over picks, his willingness to take charges, AND his good rotation defense and you have a borderline ELITE defender. How Good is his Defense? According to Synergy Sports, Lin allows 0.71 Points per Possession... good enough as of tonight to rank him as 49th in the NBA. That's 49th out of ALL positions, NOT among PG's... in a league with 400+ players, MOST of whom are bigger, Longer AND Stronger than him. Where does Toney Douglas rank? 0.87 ... good enough for 151st in the League. Or above average. That said, Toney waves his arms alot.

Excellent breakdown.

[torocan]

Originally Posted by rocketlauch Thanks Torocan, can you also give a breakdown of how many of the 49 players ahead of lin are starters (tasked with guarding higher skilled offensive players)?

No idea offhand, and I'm not going to go searching for it.

[instar]

Originally Posted by torocan The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective. Lin's approach to defense is similar to Battier's... he doesn't try to out jump you, or out speed you, he moves his body to cut off lanes, he stays in front to funnel you to bad shooting spots, and he bodies up or sags back to give you the lowest percentage shots. It's why Lillard had ZERO assists going into the 4th quarter. All TD can do is try to deflect a pass. Lin however plays a more cerebral (and statistically more effective) form of defense. Let's do a basic math exercise. If you reduce a shooter over 10 shots from 50% to 40%, they score 18 instead of 20 points. However, a SINGLE steal has the SAME impact as 10% reduction over 10 shots. Lin gets 2.5 steals PER GAME. Now, to get an idea of how HUGE that is in terms of reducing an opponents ability to score, let's take a look at Lin's defensive plays. According to Synergy Sports.... Over 9 games, Lin was involved in 117 Defensive plays. This includes direct isolation defense, defense of the PnR ball handler, help defense, and other defense related moves. Over those 117 Defensive plays, he stole the ball 21 Times. Think about that... about 1/6 times he defends someone he STEALS the ball. That means 21/117 times the Opponent gets a BIG FAT ZERO on that play. By virtue of his quick hands, he automatically reduces the shooting percentage of his opponents by approximately 17.9%. On TOP of that he has 6 BLOCKS. Big fat ZERO's for the opponents. Toss in his ability to drive players to the right spots, stay in front of his defender, fight over picks, his willingness to take charges, AND his good rotation defense and you have a borderline ELITE defender. How Good is his Defense? According to Synergy Sports, Lin allows 0.71 Points per Possession... good enough as of tonight to rank him as 49th in the NBA. That's 49th out of ALL positions, NOT among PG's... in a league with 400+ players, MOST of whom are bigger, Longer AND Stronger than him. Where does Toney Douglas rank? 0.87 ... good enough for 151st in the League. Or above average. That said, Toney waves his arms alot.

as always thx, tor. it's great.

[SuperStar]

Originally Posted by torocan The problem with this approach in terms of defense is that it LOOKS good, but it's actually MORE ineffective.

Too many factors but if you're in a close game and someone is hot shooting the ball then you want to play more up close. You get caught sagging on a screen and go under, then the opponent gets a good open shot. Not saying TD doesn't allow that but that's the type of defense you want against a hot shooter.

[Mr. Space City]

Originally Posted by FacePalmMaster And please don't act like this kind of stuff doesn't happen...even in the NBA or any organization. I'm pretty sure it does.

have any nba experience to prove that instead of guessing?

[munco]

Originally Posted by just a word pft, oh D'Antoni. You know where it's at. Mike D'antoni on Tony Douglas' role - 3/6/12 (LOL) http://youtu.be/n7pK8vQeePM

oh man. it's mind blowing why TD played the entire OT over Lin tonight, but that video is just ruthless.

[just a word]

Originally Posted by torocan No idea offhand, and I'm not going to go searching for it.

Hmm, then may we request DWade and Battier's numbers for comparison? Or perhaps Tony Allen and Andre Iguodala? They're generally recognized as elite.

[munco]

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[torocan]

Originally Posted by SuperStar Too many factors but if you're in a close game and someone is hot shooting the ball then you want to play more up close. You get caught sagging on a screen and go under, then the opponent gets a good open shot. Not saying TD doesn't allow that but that's the type of defense you want against a hot shooter.

Which is exactly what Lin did. On the ONE time Lillard scored on Lin when he was put back in, it was a contested fadeaway jumper.

Lin cut off his drive, put his hand in his face, and elevated. Lillard just hit a tough shot. Defensively, you can't do more than that without fouling unless you're long enough to block it.

[rocketsfan7]

Originally Posted by Coban Hutton WTFFFFFFFF, CORRECT THIS

Epiphany, ala Steve Jobs, this is the Jeremy Lin Reality Distortion Field in effect.

Everyone who encounters it is affected in different ways.