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You always bring this "comment" from 10 years ago up.... as I recall he simply said IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF 9/11 that if he saw a group of middle-eastern men suspiciously huddled around an airline bathroom that he would "get involved."
Yes, I do because it shows that he was bigoted. He said he would provide a beat down. That's what he said. He didn't say "get involved". He advocated violence based only the "facts" that middle-eastern men were gathered near a restroom.
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Since you are so ready and willing to die rather than fight for your life, I can understand why you wouldn't DO that but do you realize, in my opinion, what a SERIOUS MINORITY you are in on that matter?
I don't care what kind of a minority I am. I'll do what I think is right. Though, I didn't say that I wouldn't fight to save my life. I said I wouldn't fight to save property or if I didn't know. Taking someone else's life isn't a case where you act pre-emptively because you don't know what the other person is thinking.
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bigtexx just said what, in my opinion, MOST people are thinking and would actually do if confronted with that situation.

Regarding the people getting beat in this thread. Someone posted a link to a story from years ago which someone "victiized" themself by scrawling on their chest to a guy getting beat into unconsciousness with multiple wounds. I'm pretty sure the latter is impossible.

There was a credible backstory that might explain what happened to him (yet to be proven AFAIK) but much more plausible than someone doing it to hmself.
Again, in some cases apparently liltexxx is all for waiting for facts. In others he mentions that he himself will jump to violence despite the facts, let alone waiting for the facts. And in others liltexxx doesn't advocate waiting for facts at all.

The fact that you can't discern someone being a troll, doesn't affect me at all except to realize you are more gullible than I would have thought.

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lol I debunked that 7 or 8 years ago. That's all you still cling to? If that's the best you've got, you don't have much.

Your frustration is boiling over.
I'm not surprised you'd want to run from the comment, and want to avoid it as much as possible. It exposes you, but you can't hide from it. Sorry, Charlie.

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Anas acuta is offline Old 04-25-2012, 12:51 AM   #4403
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I don't care what kind of a minority I am. I'll do what I think is right. Though, I didn't say that I wouldn't fight to save my life. I said I wouldn't fight to save property or if I didn't know. Taking someone else's life isn't a case where you act pre-emptively because you don't know what the other person is thinking.

Are you completely out of your mind......

I absolutely can not wrap my mind around that. I couldn't imagine had there been a draft, and you were forced to serve for this great country somewhere in the middle east...

What if Martin had pulled a gun on Zimmerman...should Zimmerman have asked him if he only wanted to rob him, or if he was going to kill him? Or should you wait until someone shoots at you before you're good with using deadly force?

What about if a terrorist runs forward toward the cockpit of an airplane with a knife...do you ask, "Hey are you going to rob the pilot"...or do you act when the kills the pilot and starts driving the plane.

Think about what you're saying.

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Are you completely out of your mind......

I absolutely can not wrap my mind around that. I couldn't imagine had there been a draft, and you were forced to serve for this great country somewhere in the middle east...

What if Martin had pulled a gun on Zimmerman...should Zimmerman have asked him if he only wanted to rob him, or if he was going to kill him? Or should you wait until someone shoots at you before you're good with using deadly force?

What about if a terrorist runs forward toward the cockpit of an airplane with a knife...do you ask, "Hey are you going to rob the pilot"...or do you act when the kills the pilot and starts driving the plane.

Think about what you're saying.

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I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand much...

Assumptions get you killed though.

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The child beat the **** out of the 5-8 dude, that a fact. So there's no room for you to go anywhere with that... you probably will....
LOL. You sir are an idiot. I tell you what. I don't believe for one second if this was your child you would think the same way. That's whats funny about you chicken hawks. So full of hypocrisy.

If you consider what we have seen of GZ as evidence of an ass beating, then you obviously have lived a sheltered life and have no clue. A few trickles of blood while instigating a fight is nothing. I can't wait for GZ to get his in the end. Then you retardo cons can move on to feigning anger over the next talking point that master Hannity or Limbaugh dictate for you.
 
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Yes, I do because it shows that he was bigoted. He said he would provide a beat down. That's what he said. He didn't say "get involved". He advocated violence based only the "facts" that middle-eastern men were gathered near a restroom.
Whatever. Personally I think bigtexx was just "woofing" a bit. I didn't take him literally and maybe you shouldn't either. As I recall the context of those remarks were about profiling terrorists-- 100% of whom were those kind of middle-eastern men...

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I don't care what kind of a minority I am. I'll do what I think is right. Though, I didn't say that I wouldn't fight to save my life. I said I wouldn't fight to save property or if I didn't know. Taking someone else's life isn't a case where you act pre-emptively because you don't know what the other person is thinking.
Fair distinction but bigtexx was woofing about delivering a beat-down not taking a life but I'm pretty sure he would ascertain that there was in fact danger ahead before taking any action. He is a Rice grad afterall..


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Again, in some cases apparently liltexxx is all for waiting for facts. In others he mentions that he himself will jump to violence despite the facts, let alone waiting for the facts. And in others liltexxx doesn't advocate waiting for facts at all.
If the choice is to place faith in the story told by family members and neighbors (?) or take the tortuous path whereby a man beats himself into unconsciousness with brutal force, I too will go with not feeling the need to wait for more facts to form an opinion. He didn't go seek revenge. He didn't put a bounty out on those kids. He just expressed an opinion that does not contradict any evidence offered so far in the case. What's wrong with that?

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The fact that you can't discern someone being a troll, doesn't affect me at all except to realize you are more gullible than I would have thought.
As far as I can tell, a troll is someone who persistently disagrees with the troll-accuser's point-of-view. bigtexx's brashness is sometimes over-the-top for me but I'm not the target of it so it doesn't rile me.

Your side regularly and nastily assails his character, period. I'd say that what you guys do to him is far worse than anything he does to any discussion about someone in the news...
 
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Are you completely out of your mind......

I absolutely can not wrap my mind around that. I couldn't imagine had there been a draft, and you were forced to serve for this great country somewhere in the middle east...

What if Martin had pulled a gun on Zimmerman...should Zimmerman have asked him if he only wanted to rob him, or if he was going to kill him? Or should you wait until someone shoots at you before you're good with using deadly force?

What about if a terrorist runs forward toward the cockpit of an airplane with a knife...do you ask, "Hey are you going to rob the pilot"...or do you act when the kills the pilot and starts driving the plane.

Think about what you're saying.
I'm not saying anything like what you're talking about. I was talking about unarmed people, you are talking about armed ones.

Think about what you think I'm saying.

I will say that in the first case, and in giddy's case. I hope I wouldn't use violence in those cases. If someone pulls a gun on me, then so be it. And I like to think I'd be strong enough to not fight for my life. Though none of that is what I was saying before.

I'm not saying anyone else has to do that. But I will say it would be a better world if everyone did that. Nobody would need guns for self defense including criminals if that was the case. Gun violence would almost completely go away.

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LOL. You sir are an idiot. I tell you what. I don't believe for one second if this was your child you would think the same way. That's whats funny about you chicken hawks. So full of hypocrisy.

If you consider what we have seen of GZ as evidence of an ass beating, then you obviously have lived a sheltered life and have no clue. A few trickles of blood while instigating a fight is nothing. I can't wait for GZ to get his in the end. Then you retardo cons can move on to feigning anger over the next talking point that master Hannity or Limbaugh dictate for you.
You know.....you have no such reason to call me such a vile name and use such a word that is dispicable to the the mentally challenged community. Any point that you tried to make was swallowed up by your callous idiocy.

You really should be ashamed of yourself. You probably aren't though but that's why you fail as a person.
 
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If the choice is to place faith in the story told by family members and neighbors (?) or take the tortuous path whereby a man beats himself into unconsciousness with brutal force, I too will go with not feeling the need to wait for more facts to form an opinion. He didn't go seek revenge. He didn't put a bounty out on those kids. He just expressed an opinion that does not contradict any evidence offered so far in the case. What's wrong with that?


As far as I can tell, a troll is someone who persistently disagrees with the troll-accuser's point-of-view. bigtexx's brashness is sometimes over-the-top for me but I'm not the target of it so it doesn't rile me.
Or the case above could have been self defense. You don't know without more facts.

A troll is someone who says stuff only to get a reaction.

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Whatever. Personally I think bigtexx was just "woofing" a bit. I didn't take him literally and maybe you shouldn't either. As I recall the context of those remarks were about profiling terrorists-- 100% of whom were those kind of middle-eastern men...

What happened was some lady freaked out because she was on a plane with middle eastern Muslims.

It turned out the men were on their way to some convention or something, and were completely innocent of any crimes or terrorism at all.

liltexxx chimed in that he flies all the time, and that if he saw a group of middle eastern men near the restroom he'd immediately jump to violence.

There was no waiting for facts, just liltexxx initiating violence against a group of men in part because they were from the middle east.

Now he may have been "woofing" because he's generally full of crap, and a troll, but that isn't what he's said. That's you just making up excuses for him.

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What happened was some lady freaked out because she was on a plane with middle eastern Muslims.

It turned out the men were on their way to some convention or something, and were completely innocent of any crimes or terrorism at all.

liltexxx chimed in that he flies all the time, and that if he saw a group of middle eastern men near the restroom he'd immediately jump to violence.

There was no waiting for facts, just liltexxx initiating violence against a group of men in part because they were from the middle east.

Now he may have been "woofing" because he's generally full of crap, and a troll, but that isn't what he's said. That's you just making up excuses for him.
You're arguing with the same guy who defends one person who called a woman a whore and a slut on national radio while flipping out when someone makes an joke about his wife being a guard dog. He's the very definition of hypocrisy. I, for one, can't wait for the day he gets too old to remember this site, and we backslapping liberals, don't exist.

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A troll is someone who says stuff only to get a reaction.
Then I guess you would call Jackson and Sharpton trolls.
 
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I'm not saying anyone else has to do that. But I will say it would be a better world if everyone did that. Nobody would need guns for self defense including criminals if that was the case. Gun violence would almost completely go away.
It would be awesome to live in a world where we didn't have to lock our doors, and pay to have an alarm monitored. But I sleep with a pistol a foot from the side of my bed.

But we live in a world with animals who just don't care about other people's property and all to often, life.

When the seconds count, the cops are minutes away. I am responsible for my own safety and well being. Not the gov't. Not a cop. I'd like to think I'm prepared for a deadly force encounter.

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What happened was some lady freaked out because she was on a plane with middle eastern Muslims.

It turned out the men were on their way to some convention or something, and were completely innocent of any crimes or terrorism at all.

liltexxx chimed in that he flies all the time, and that if he saw a group of middle eastern men near the restroom he'd immediately jump to violence.

There was no waiting for facts, just liltexxx initiating violence against a group of men in part because they were from the middle east.

Now he may have been "woofing" because he's generally full of crap, and a troll, but that isn't what he's said. That's you just making up excuses for him.
You're very defensive on this topic, which demonstrates you don't fully believe what you're typing.

As I told you over 8 years ago, you cannot congregate near the front of the plane. That was what was most important. The fact that you continually try to bring this up 8 years later shows that you truly have such little evidence on me, that this is the best you can cling to.

The number of insults coming from you also demonstrates your weak position and you "trying to make up for it" through trying to hurl insults at me.

I see all this as it unfolds, and just sit back and increase my confidence -- your insecurity is clear for all to see.

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Nope, once again you're just making an ass of yourself.
More insults from you. Very telling. My confidence and assurance that I'm correct just keeps growing.

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The best evidence does support Zimmerman. The key pieces of evidence are the injuries to Zimmerman and the testimony of John. Your amateur ballistics analysis is just that - amateurish.
None of the Zimmerman's injuries or the witness testimony contradict what I have outlined. What I have outlined fits all of the evidence that we know of.

Also apparently you don't understand the term "ballistics analysis" since I never made any ballistic analysis.

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You're very defensive on this topic, which demonstrates you don't fully believe what you're typing.

As I told you over 8 years ago, you cannot congregate near the front of the plane. That was what was most important. The fact that you continually try to bring this up 8 years later shows that you truly have such little evidence on me, that this is the best you can cling to.

The number of insults coming from you also demonstrates your weak position and you "trying to make up for it" through trying to hurl insults at me.

I see all this as it unfolds, and just sit back and increase my confidence -- your insecurity is clear for all to see.
They were by the restroom which happens on pretty much every flight, and that's what you mentioned in your post. You going back and trying to back peddle from what you've said isn't surprising. I'm not defensive about it at all. Sorry if you took it that way.

I'm not insulting you, just pointing out what I see.

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