The story, and the talking points gleaned from it, were not from Carville. If you wanted to show the opinion of Democracy Corps on the subject, you would have linked to this: http://www.democracycorps.com/strat...nal-security-a-wake-up-call/?section=Analysis
The American people are right, and the lefties on this board (and elsewhere) are wrong, as usual. Obama is weak, and the respect that the international community has for the US has declined as a result. There is a big difference between love and respect. For a President and for our nation, respect is what is desired. The kind of adulation that Obama has won from certain fawning crowds is a selfish indulgence on Obama's part, and nothing more. The American people see this, and realize that it counts for nothing of substance in our international relations. The poll correctly and accurately reflects that. And what has Obama gotten us with all of his bowing and scraping? Really - what has he gotten for us as a nation, other than personally receiving the adulation of certain crowds? In total, this kind of conduct has gotten us nothing. Since we are either advancing or declining in our international relations at all times, it is clear that we have unfortunately declined under the Presidency of Barack Obama. Being successful in international affairs is not a global popularity contest, and anyone who thinks it is is just being silly. Fortunately, most of the American people seem to know better.
This is not an unreasonable thought, but I'm willing to bet that if you first asked whether people voted for Obama or not, you would find that most of the angst comes among people who didn't vote for Obama, and wouldn't have voted for him even if the other options on the ballot were Adolph Hitler, Genghis Khan, and Vlad the Impaler. At least, that has been shown in the other polls I've seen where a more detailed breakdown was provided.
Please find a link that shows the US has lost global standing from the international community's point of view. I haven't seen such a poll yet.
Who cares? I addressed this mistaken perspective at the end of my previous post. Since you apparently missed it, I will post that section of my comments again: "Being successful in international affairs is not a global popularity contest, and anyone who thinks it is, is just being silly." Do you people really not understand that? You guys seem to evaluate President Obama's effectiveness on the international scene using almost the same standards you would use to evaluate a high school cheerleader's election campaign. Seriously, it is time to grow up now, guys. This is not a popularity contest.
The old "what about Bush" defense. Hahahaha. What does that have to do with the topic of this thread, which is: U.S. has Lost Global Standing Under Obama
You seem to believe that if you simply yell this loudly enough, it somehow makes it true. Unfortunately, every example that seems to pop in my head shows that the reverse is the case - that perception as a good or bad entity trumps brute strength in international affairs. Or, at the very least, that both factors are equally relevant. But I'm sure if your belief is actually true, you will have no problem quantifying and documenting it, right? So please do so. Because from my position, it is you with the laughably juvenile notions about the world.
Correction to thread topic: 1A. Mojorge still works for the GOP. 1B. Poorly worded poll "determines" that US Americans think US has "lost standing" in the last year, whatever that means. Whatever the topic, it is clearly not "U.S. has lost Global Standing Under Obama," unless it could be said that "Rockets have lost global standing for prospects of 2010-2011 NBA season, based on a one-star thread in the GARM of Clutchfans.com"
no its the old obama has been in office one year and two months and has a lot of **** ups to correct defense
If you don't care then why did you post that our standing and respect from other nations have gone down because Obama was weak or something to that effect? If you don't care, then don't post it. Because if you do post it, I'll respond that the assumption is based on nothing but your misconceptions. These are your words So don't post it and then when I ask for a link to show evidence of YOUR assertion, run away and pretend like that doesn't really matter. You posted something baseless. I questioned you on it, and you ran away from it and pretended that you don't really care about it.
No need to get your tee-tee on fire. The international standing of the United States is not the same thing as the amount of popular adoration received by Barack Obama. Our international standing is based on respect, which is partially a measure of trust, and partially a measure of fear. And the trust component largely comes from the ability of countries to count on us to follow through with tough decisions, even after they cease to be popular either locally or around the world. Obama is a constantly equivocating sycophant. He is not trustworthy and he is weak. And world leaders, such as French President Nicholas Sarkozy, have spoken to that unfortunate truth openly for all to hear. Obviously, when a French President is making critical comments about the weakness of a U.S. President, that is a very troubling state of affairs indeed.
Sorry, followers of the Cheney ideology do not get to lecture us on the effectiveness of American diplomacy anymore. You and Liz should make babies
