We have no chance at Marc Gasol. The Grizz will resign him to a BIG contract. This is the exact reason that I think that Thabeet could be acquired with just a Trade Exception or a second rd pick + cash. Thabeet makes 4 mil per year and the Griz will need that salary space for Gasol's new contract
Honestly the Grizzlies think that Thabeet is a bust right now. But as we all know bigmen especially centers take a lot of time to improve and evolve. Take Joakim Noah as an example, a lot of people thought of him as a player who was drafted way too early but now they are eating their words. Also from what I see Thabeet has pretty good defense from all of the shot blocking he does. A visit or two from the Dreamshaker will set him straight.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=278jqr2 Well, the trade can be done and I must say that I like the proposal. But the guy I want is G. Wallace ... :grin: Here's a proposal to get G. Wallace: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=35aw2w7 * Rockets: - Outgoing players: Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, Budinger, 2011 1st round draft pick, 2013 2nd round draft pick, trade exception (Ariza: $ 4.0 mil) - Incoming players: G. Wallace, Gibson and JJ Hickson Why? Lowry is playing goooooooood, hitting the 3, playing defense the way we want and he runs the team better because he isn't a 'shoot first' PG. Gibson could be our 'shoot first' PG of the bench and can also play SG. Adelman loves to play with a small line-up in the backcourt. Lowry-Gibson could be possible. G. Wallace is an upgrade at the SF (and PF) spot ... no doubt. Getting T-Will means Bud could be on the way out. JJ Hickson is not happy with his role (coming from the bench). At the beginning of the season he was a starter, being a player of the bench in Houston could be another story for him and maybe more accaptable. The guy can play, that's for sure. * Bobcats: - Outgoing players: G. Wallace, Henderson and Diaw - Incoming players: Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, trade exception from Cleveland (James: $ 9.0 mil), Houston's 2011 1st round draft pick Why? The Bobcats suck (like we do) and need a change (like we do). And they need a PG for sure ... Brooks could be their 'answer'. Larry Brown would love 'a light version' of Allen Iverson (read Brooks). A shoot first PG/SG. They get Battier and Jeffries also in return, 2 good veteran players with leadership mentality (especially Battier). Houston gives them their 1st round draft pick of 2011 and Cleveland seals the deal with a TE. * Cavaliers: - Outgoing: Gibson, JJ Hickson, TE (James: $ 9.0 mil) - Incoming: Budinger, Henderson, Diaw, TE from Houston (Ariza: $ 4.0 mil) and Houston's 2013 2nd round draft pick. Why? Budinger and Henderson are 2 very good young players. Bud brings more scoring punch, Henderson gives them more defense than Gibson at the guard position(s). Hickson is upset and Diaw is a good veteran player at the 4 (he also has an expiring contract). Getting a TE and a second round draft pick from Houston also is 'the cherry on top' ... Houston Rockets after this trade: PG: Lowry/Gibson/Ish SG: Martin/Lee SF: G. Wallace/T-Will PF: Scola/Hickson/Hill C: Hayes/Miller/Yao We still have room for another trade: Scola and/or Yao for .... ?
That scenerio may work but its more than likely that Scola and brooks will be shopped......Scola because he is our most consistent threat and probably our best player currently and/or Brooks due to his payday right around the corner (he will gross more than Lowry ,who got a damn good contract!!)..So you guys need to start including Scola in some of these trade scenerios because he will be shopped around.......IT IS WRITTEN.
How about this trade? I don't want to give up Kevin Martin, but if it means we can get back these guys I would have to do it. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/53823273@N02/5264072247/" title="ScreenHunter_03 Dec. 15, 2010 15.46 by cc952006, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5204/5264072247_55a9cf535d.jpg" width="500" height="364" alt="ScreenHunter_03 Dec. 15, 2010 15.46" /></a> Why the 3 teams do this trade: Sacramento gets Aaron Brooks, who they have wanted for some time (rumors), as well as Jeffries for his expiring contract, and Patrick Patterson, who was said to be NBA ready during the draft and has tremendous upside. If they let Landry walk this summer, Patterson would be even more valuable to them. Memphis has reportedly given up on Hasheem Thabeet and OJ Mayo comes off the bench and is not being utilized correctly. We would take those two young guys off their hands and give them a prolific scorer in Kevin Martin in return. With conley running the point and Gay being the scorer he is, Kevin Martin would be a great fit as he can catch and shoot from almost anywhere, and gets to the foul line often. The Rockets, I think, would do this trade if Yao's future is still uncertain because they get Cousins who has potential to be the best center in the NBA one day. They also get Thabeet who can be molded into a Mutombo lite. And finally they get OJ Mayo who can be a legit all-star for years to come. If this season doesn't pan out, I would think that this is the trade Morey has been waiting for. Two guys that have all the potential in the world to replace Yao and learn from CD, as well as OJ Mayo who can step in and contribute right away, whether it is in the starting line up or backing up C Lee.
Wouldn't it be easier to just trade Martin for Thabeet and Mayo? We could buy out Ish to make room. Cousins would be the better center, but Sacramento is not going to sacrifice a potential franchise center for a diminuative PG no matter how well he shoots treys.
I really like the OJ Mayo & Thabeet for Kevin Martin trade that people have been proposing, the rockets get a young center as insurance to Yao, while also getting a young SG who can create his own shot in crunch time. With that trade we could really balance out our roster, get younger and still remain competitive.... not to mention we can create much more balance and athletic line-ups when Yao and Aaron get back... and imo we should bring Aaron off the bench until he get's 110% of his explosiveness back.. Lowry | Brooks Mayo | Lee Williams | Budinger | Bat Scola | Hill | Pat Yao | Miller | Thabeet
I do like Martin but he was brought here with the idea of playing with Yao, well that isn't happening now. Mayo is a playmaker who can actually play some defense and Thabeet can be groomed...make the trade NOW!
I fully stand by my post. I don't want to get rid of kevin martin, but now that Yao is likely done for good Morey should be inquiring about K Martin for Hasheem and Mayo.
I've wanted Cousins for a while and with the Yao news now I want him more. Top priority! It's hard to predict how he'll turn out, but it's definitely better than Hasheem. We have many PFs but not many real Centers. Cousins, Cousins, Cousins.
In light of what happened today I've been thinking of something we can do. Here is my idea. Houston, Orlando, Washington three team trade. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25d8ucl Houston gets: Rashard Lewis and Marcin Gortat + Washington First Houston trades:Yao Ming, Chase Budinger and Shane Battier + NY Draft Pick to Washinton Orlando gets:Shane Battier and Gilbert Arenas Orlando trades: Rashard Lewis and Marcin Gortat + Future First to Washington Washinton gets: Orlando Future First + NY 2012 Pick + Yao Ming (expiring possibly insurance covered contract) + Chase Budinger Washington trades: Gilbert Arenas + Future First Houston Lineup: Brooks Martin Lewis Scola Gortat w Bench of: Hill,Williams, Hayes, Lee, Lowry, Miller Orlando Lineup: Nelson Arenas Carter Bass Howard w Bench of: Battier, Duhon, Pietrus, Reddick
Brandon Roy anyone? Roy is at an all time low with regards to his value. He's a high risk high reward type of player because of his long contract and his injury history.
Your trade is very shortsighted, the moment Yao went down so did the 'Win Now' mentality. The Rockets are no longer in 'win now' mode, but instead are looking down the road and will try to build a team that can compete in the future. ---- Quick Note: Keep in mind that you no longer have to look at teams like the Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, Celts or even the Magic. Because by the time we become contenders again(4-5 yr span) a lot of these teams will no longer be in contention. Our competition will come from young teams that may not be much now, but could become major threats in the future, this teams posses very good young talent. Some example would be: The LA Clippers, OKC Thunder, Minny, the Kings... Clipps: Griffin, Aminu, Gordon, Bledsoe, Jordan (high 2011 draft pick) Thunder: Durant, Westbrook, Green, Ibaka, Harden. Kings: Evans, Cousins, Casspi, Greene (high 2011 draft pick) Minny: Love, Beasley, W. Johnson, R. Rubio(will be coming over next year), (high 2011 draft pick) What the rockets need to do is keep they're young guys and trade the veterans(Scola, Martin, etc.) for young players and draft picks. PS. The clippers could be really scary if they land Kyrie Irving in this next draft...
Scola has to be on his way out. He's our biggest asset to contenders and doesn't fit into the rebuilding scheme. Hate to see him go, but we can't just sit in this catch 22 with Yao out. We tried to make our run, didn't work out these last few years, time to take a couple steps back to make that big leap forward.
To be fair, Celtics, before they got their big 3 together, hadn't been contenders in quite some time, minus a few years in the early 2000s. The Lakers have had their rough patches too, after Magic retired they went through some tough times until right before Shaq and Kobe got there and also after Shaq left before Gasol. Both are in very much in win now mode and when they do fall, it will be a steep one.
Celtics for a lot of those years, NO. Lakers after Magic retired were a lotto team for a year and not contending until right before Kobe and Shaq got there. When Shaq left, the Lakers were a 7-8 seed and his point was contention..they weren't contenders.
The 2 franchises that have won more than anyone else in the history of the league are suddenly going to become doormats when their current crop retires? Doubtful.
