Oct Opponent Box Score High Pts Wed 21 Toronto L 81 - 94 J. Howard 21 Fri 23 @ Denver L 86 - 108 J. Howard 18 Tue 10 @ Charlotte L 106 - 111 2OT J. Howard 28 Wed 11 Sacramento L 80 - 88 J. Howard 24 Sat 14 NO/Okla. City L 80 - 86 J. Howard 22 Mon 16 @ Atlanta L 83 - 94 J. Howard 20 Fri 24 Golden State W 91 - 88 J. Howard 22 Sun 9 @ Sacramento L 77 - 86 J. Howard 22 Mon 10 @ Utah L 83 - 85 J. Howard 25 Sat 15 Memphis L 81 - 93 J. Howard 16 We're 10% winning percentage when Juwan leads us in scoring. An amazing, 90% losing percentage! But this is great for you Juwan fans, so he can try to maintain his stellar career average in scoring. I can't blame Juwan for everything. I thought he played valiantly, even though he took away from precious Stromile development time. its not Juwan's fault, but his aura has caused: 1. Michigan losing..because his boy Webber forgot about timeouts. 2. The demise of the Washington Bullets into the Washington Wizards (not being about to win with Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber, and Ben Wallace) 3. Orlando's worse season. which was a blessing, leading to the drafting of Dwight Howard and us getting Tmac. 4. The Rockets playoffs last year (we'd win if Juwan played ...exactly) 5. This year's Rockets.. Could be a blessing.. Juwan might lead us to the Lottery! thanks for being a Rocket Juwan. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..
Dude, Yao and/or TMac didn't play in those games either. I think that MIGHT have had a little bit of a factor in those loses. Just guessing, though. I don't think anybody is arguing that it is beneficial when Juwan is our #1 option. But your Juwan hatred is noted.
remember this post? http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=79638 Tinman: Juwan has been like kryptonite to all the teams he's played on. Willis25: Horry is washed up and Howard is MUCH better than him Desert Scar: Sounds like you are talking about the Horry fellow who played for the Rockets 10 years ago, not the Horry of the last 2 years who not only is at best an average defender but who can't hit an outside shot to save his life. dharocks: Howard played decently for a loaded Dallas team a few years back... He could easily average around 13ppg and 7rpg with the Rockets. He can be an enforcer. In a playoff series with San Antonio he gave Derek Anderson a shoulder seperation from a hard foul and knocked the crap outta Malik Rose.
is it coincidence or are you guys not going to give me credit for predicting the doom of the organization because of Juwan? I forgot to mention that Denver stunk with Juwan also, but when he left look at them now. Juwan leaves Washington : now playoff team Juwan leaves Dallas: Dallas is now #2 behind the Spurs Juwan leaves Denver: Denver is a playoff team Juwan leaves Orlando: missed the playoffs by one game this year, gets stud in Howard (Dwight) Juwan leaves Houston.. Rockets get [stud player]? you know i'll refer to this post when this happens and when we make it to the playoffs next year. Yao never broke his foot and Tmac never had back spasms when they were on a non-juwan team.
im waiting for you guys to either: 1. admit i'm right about juwan turning teams to the lottery 2. blame me for being right think about it: 1. the fire gundy posts, came AFTER juwan joined 2. no one had a FIRE GUNDY post during the old steve/cuttino/yao days. I hate baseball, but this compares to that Nomar guy. once he left beantown, they won the world series
It's definately obvious Juwan caused all of TMac's back problems. TMac never had problems in Toronto. It wasn't until TMac got to Orlando that it all went downhill for his back! By God, your right! CASE CLOSED.
And again, here comes tinman trying to goad someone into yet another infuriating argument full of irrelevant pictures and proclamations of being the next Nostradamus. I wonder who's going to fall into the trap this week.
Juwan was on that Orlando team with Tmac. Juwan's not a bad dude or not a bad player. he's just the reverse Robert Horry. Horry seems to win championships and Juwan seems to be on lottery bound teams. Why is that? who knows. but our new Stats GM guy should definetly look at those stats. not career points average, but career winning percentage.
we just had arguably the worst Rockets season in recent memory. Even that team with Pippen made the playoffs! I dont remember a worse offensive team in Rockets history. Buck Johnson would have helped this team. this thread : 1. adds to the "why did this happen?" topic in every Rockets fan's head 2. proves that you can't beat the formula. you put more winners on a team than losers then your team will win. I know I lost the SAR bet, but Sac town smarted up, by adding a winner, and starting a winner ahead of a perrenial loser. If the Rockets started Stromile and let him grow, while Juwan lead the 2nd team, the season maybe different. What about Tim Thomas? I started a thread that we should have signed him. but I got a negative feedback by you guys. Guess what? Tim Thomas is dropping 20+ points off the bench. And he's not even in shape. if we were in the playoffs, we'd have some playoff topics. now we just have, JVG must go, JJ Redick, and what if we still had Mike James threads.
Sacremento turned it around once they got Artest, benched SAR and started KT. I'm happy for KT. he helped the SIXERS make the playoffs, now he's helping the Kings. Sixers minus KT plus Webber = no playoffs Kings minus Webber plus KT plus benching SAR plus Ron Ron = playoffs Look at these high price, highly overrated Michigan forwards: Juwan Howard Chris Webber Mo Taylor how many of them are in the playoffs? 0 Oh, I also forgot about all the STUPID YAO posts. good grief, this guy is our best player. he's more dependable that Tmac and seems to improve every year. Tmac, I fear, may have hit his ceiling.
Agree with you except the Webber part. when Webber was young and healthy, he had huge impact, almost knocked off Shaq-Kobe's Lakers. JHO and MoT are different stories. They were never at Webber's level, despite the contrats they got.
He actually tied with Yao for 22pts that game... so when Juwan leads us in scoring, our winning percentage is 0%! -G'day-
I agree, Webber is better than both of those dudes. but his health was questionable. and his 'clutchness' was questionable. If we had Webber, we'd still have a bad record cause that guy never plays a full season. We've seen Webber vs Robert Horry before. we know what happened.
Not news to me. I always knew he sucked. He has had a long career but how many games or plays do you remember where he made an impact on the outcome of the game!!?! When he has a good game, and good stats, Rockets lose. When the Rockets are doing good, he is usually sitting on the bench. He cant seem to find his rhythm playing with both Yao/Tmac. Worst of all, he keeps letting his man go right by him which gets Yao into foul trouble. He is a softy. He is a cancer if you want to win games but a blessing if you want to be in the lottery. Rockets are not going to do any damage in playoffs as long as they have to rely on Juwan Howard to make significant contributions.
I have to agree with everything you have said, especially starting Stro and letting the guy grow. Howard+Yao=very little athletism and every other team knows that. He just does not compliment Yao at all. It's obvious Howard has seen his better days now at the age of 34 and I have always thought he would be a better player coming off the bench no matter how much he struggled with it last season. All the guy has is a jumpshot and what JVG calls "insperational hustle". I wish they could have traded him for Sam Cassell before the trade deadline last season.
I can't believe that offer was on the table. that's like trading whoever you are dating now for Jessica Alba. Sure your girl is nice and says the right things, but Jessica Alba.. dudes would think of you as a champ!
I think that the problems with Juwan's game go beyond stats. 1. He is at a disadvantage athletically with every PF he faces. This hurts us immensely on the defensive end. At least Stro is a shot-blocking presence. 2. He is in love with the 15-18 footer. I have noticed several times that Yao has been near the bucket waiting for a pass and Juwan will take that shot. He is very reluctant to make the extra pass. This kills the offense. I know we need an outside shooting 4 to open up Yao's game but don't make him what he isn't. 3. He can't rebound. This hurts us a lot. Yao is not exactly a great rebounder. We need a rebounding 4. Juwan must go. The problem is his fat contract. We may be enjoying his presence all the way through the 2008-2009 season. To Tinman, I agree with you wholeheartedly about Juwan, but A Juwan-Horry swap was never possible due to Juwan's monster contract.
