This team will never win anything with Brock Osweiler at QB!

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Really there wasn't anyone open, Fuller had the safety over the top and sure he eventually ran past him and was starting to come open at the end of this video, but we know what happens when you throw him perfect passes so missing that isn't much of a loss. The best bet would have been to throw it to the RB but there was a DB fairly close so even that might not be complete. For sure though, he picked the worst option.
     
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    who the f' goes shotgun from their own 10. I cringe when the 'elite' ones do it, now, you're putting brock under the gun. Reminds me of the Steelers game when they put fitzie under the same situation. it's been going on since 2014. How about a play that clears out the middle of the field. We had also been running it better.
    the coaching staff does a disservice to all of the qbs that have taken a snap by attempting to run the 2007 fancy pants ugg offense. I listed examples from 2014. Inexcusable to not have used the TEs in 2015.

    But all these local writers media yahoos want to talk about how rick forced brock on the coaching staff never mind that every f'er in the texans staff has connections to chowdah bastahds. Maybe we can hire teddy johnson as the new special teams coach. I joked before the signing of Brock that they would probably target Matt cassell.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Per BOB, we'd love to have everyone back but it's too early to say anything about anything.
     
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    Great.

    It begins
     
  7. T_Man

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    As long as they have the same coaching staff coming back with the same offensive mentality it will be the same story...

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  8. justtxyank

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    They won't have the same coordinator on offense, but the system will depend entirely on the QB.

    If you have a QB that you are scared to death to let him throw the ball then you can't run much.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    So long as you have an elite defense, can run the ball successfully, and protect the QB to make his job easy, then you'll be fine. Right now we have almost 2 of those.....but the defense needs to get healthy and the run game needs to get better. If we fix the O line, we could have all 3 next season.
     
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    It's insane that you think Osweiler played well enough that we could win a title with him if we just made the line better. He was god awful.
     
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    Make the line better then the running game is better and there's less pressure on the QB. With less pressure on the QB and a better run game, you get better passing opportunities and no need to force things that aren't there and you have the time to make better throws and make sure your footwork is proper. The Texans on the other hand, couldn't even call for 5 step drop plays because they knew if they did then the QB would be hit about 4 steps into it pretty much every time.

    Fixing the ridiculous holes in the line will help fix more than just the line.
     
  12. T_Man

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    Brock, is not a great QB.... But the coordinator can either help or hurt the situation...

    The Texans offense was so predictable it was ridicules... This does not help a struggling qb at all and the fact that this coaching staff has went thru 6 or 7 qb's in 3 years is freaking ridicules.

    The coaching staff deserves just as much as the blame as anyone else.

    T_Man
     
  13. rawbrah

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    Arent we up to limit cap?

    So, only way to get a legit QB is to hope Savage can be one next year, or hope we can find the next Prescott outside of the top 20 pick.
     
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    I am with you that they need to address the line (I thought they needed to draft tackles LAST year and that they needed to get a guard) but that doesn't cover up for Brock. The offensive line is not why his release is slow or why he can't make the right read over the middle of the field.

    I don't get why you don't just admit that the guy isn't good and that he needs to be replaced. That we'd have a better chance to win a game if we managed to put together the best offensive line in the NFL (in one offseason) is not enough to make think we should stick with Brock.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    My point is that no one will look good behind that line. We heard time and time again how Tom Brady isn't used to getting hit as much as he was in the game against the Texans......well Texans QB's get hit that much or more EVERY game. Sure you can try to write that off on "slow release" or holding the ball too long, but the tape shows that WAY too often the QB is instantly pressured meaning that even if they have a super fast release and don't hold on to the ball, they would still be getting hit WAY too often.

    You see guys like Dak camping out in the pocket forever just waiting for something to come open with no worry about defenders getting to him and he's praised for that, but put him on a team with an O line like the Texans and he looks like a totally different QB. I'm not saying that Brock Osweiler is any good, he absolutely might never be, but it's pretty hard to tell what he would look like behind a competent O line when we haven't seen it....hell and even if he's still bad, wouldn't you want to see Savage or whoever else is QB behind a competent line?
     
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    Brock needs to fix his release and being tall doesn't help his strides; his release is like a catapult and it floats or goes high and inaccurate a lot especially on intermediate throws

     
  17. HillBoy

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    Wasn't Brock behind a competent O line at Denver and still got himself benched because he sucked? So him behind the Texans' line was fated to be bad alright but as the season wore on, the O line play got better as players came back from injury. Yet despite this, his inability to make the right read, make the right throws became more and more pronounced as teams were able to see him on film. But I believe that what hurt him most of all was the fact that this offensive system simply doesn't work because it appears that BoB's system forces players to play a certain way and this roster - especially Lossweiler - isn't capable of executing it in the manner in which it was designed (whatever that is). That's entirely different from what Crennel is doing with the defense. This offense simply doesn't appear to work very well and I'm looking at the design and scheme as being the culprits. It's what would happen if Crennel decided to have Clowney & Co plan the old Flex defensive scheme that Tom Landry used back with the Cowboys - it wouldn't fit the talents of the defensive players on the team.

    You mentioned Prescott and the superiority of that Cowboys O line. And while that line may have helped Elliott more than Dak, it was Wade Wilson's and Scott Linehan's modification of that offense to more closely match Prescott's abilities that helped Dak most of all. This we did not see happening here with Lossweiler as BoB and Co threw him into the deep end from day one. And then, as things steadily got worse, they kept shrinking the playbook more and more until they were left with this simplistic mishmash of an offense which did not work and was ugly to watch.
     
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  18. Bobbythegreat

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    The O line was certainly better in Denver than it is in Houston, but it wasn't some elite unit.....and he played better in Denver. While he got benched, he was benched for a QB who performed worse than he was, so it's kind of a weird situation.

    In Dallas, having an O line that you can just camp out behind with no pressure whatsoever makes the QB's job ridiculously easy. You add a running game like they have and it's the easiest QB job in the NFL that lots of QB's would look good doing. Look at what Matt Cassel had in New England the one year he looked like a competent QB, he had a REALLY good O line, a run game that rushed for over 2200 yards and a 2 future HOFer to throw the ball to.

    Dak also had a phenominal O line, a run game that rushed for over 2300 yards and 2 future HOFers to throw the ball to (yes I think Witten and Dez are future HOFers).

    I just think given all of his advantages right now, it's hard to say what he'd look like without them.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Back Shoulder Brock has to go.

    DD
     
  20. HillBoy

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    Another take on Brock:

    Gary Gramling/Sports Illustrated via MMQBJan 15, 2017 at 1:25a ET

    d. Brock Osweiler isn’t going anywhere in 2017. No one’s trading for him, and the Texans would take a $25 million cap hit if they cut him. There’s no good reason they shouldn’t keep him on as a No. 2 QB in 2017, then let him go after the season when he would come off the books for virtually nothing. The Texans aren’t going to dip into free agency for a quarterback again this offseason, Tom Savage makes $750,000 next year, and a developmental rookie won’t make a whole lot more.

    e. One thing in defense of Osweiler [ducks]: This is a very difficult system to pick up, especially in one abbreviated offseason. And on top of that, DeAndre Hopkins isn’t for every quarterback. He doesn’t create a lot of separation; he’s a contested catch guy. Learning to throw it to a guy who’s covered can be a tough mental hurdle for a QB, especially one who’s uncomfortable in every other facet of a new system.


    One of the things I was looking at this weekend was how receivers on other teams appeared to be able to get open while the Texans' receivers appeared to be constantly covered. Which is why I started questioning the offensive scheme. Is it the receivers themselves or is it the pass route schemes? The above may explain why Brock can hit his receivers if they are open (like CJF across the middle) but falters badly when having to fit the football into tight spaces where his lack of accuracy is a recipe for disaster.
     

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