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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Nov 1, 2016.

  1. adoo

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    For Trump to win the electoral college, he must win Florida.

    Survey by polling firm Targetsmart and William & Mary of Florida voters who have already voted shows that 28% of registered Republican voters have crossover to vote for Hillary Clinton. The "never Trump" movement has proven to be effective. The same poll projects an 8 point win for Clinton in that state.​

    Without Florida, Trump really has no path to an electoral college victory.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...ida-And-Predicts-An-8-Point-Win-For-Her-There
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Good for them. Something has to send the GOP the message that they royally screwed up with this Trump BS.
     
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    My son is a Political Science Major at the University of South Carolina (he might have an opportunity to be an intern under Lindsey Graham). Anyway, he's been studying this a lot and he's had several candidates come to SC this past year. He said that out of the 4 or 5 Republican candidates who visited SC that he was able to listen to, the one who came across the best, by far, was Rand Paul. So, he says he will grudgingly vote for Clinton but would have voted for Paul over Clinton.

    What he couldn't understand is how Ben Carson and Donald Trump were ever taken seriously. They had to analyze candidates' policies, positions, utterances, etc., and those 2 ranked extremely low in almost every category. I just mentioned that a lot of people get sucked in by the cult of personality. I think you can say this on both sides.
     
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    When their positions aren't pre-approved by the establishment, that's no surprise.
     
  5. Granville

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    I wouldn't disagree with them on Trump or Carson. That said, that's not a license to literally lose your mind and vote for Clinton either. The FBI doesn't trust her why should anyone else. ABC News put her with a national 38% trustworthy mark just this morning. Wikileaks is providing more and more insight in to her corrupted campaign.
     
  6. No Worries

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    Hyperbole much?
     
  7. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Not voting for Trump is very rational. He simply isn't presidential in any ways, period.

    The FBI is looking into new emails that may end up being nothing. That doesn't equate to the FBI not trusting her - that's you jumping to a conclusion.
     
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    Hopefully the cross-over stick. Give me hope that the GOP still has a strong rational base.
     
  9. Granville

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    The FBI trusted her judgement setting up that server? They basically said any idiot would have known better.
     
  10. leroy

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    This is such a bulls*** cop out. Not being a career politician doesn't mean it's ok to be so disconnected from reality and knowledge and what it means to be a decent human being...and it sure as s*** doesn't mean that being those things makes you qualified to be President of the United States of America.
     
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    They said she was careless with handling confidential material. That doesn't mean the FBI not trusting her. Again, that's you.

    In fact, if the FBI didn't trust her, they wouldn't conclude that no reasonable person would persecute her. They believe it when she said it was not intentional. In a way, that show that the FBI actually trusted her.

    But again, new emails came up. We'll see.
     
  12. Nolen

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    Man, 28% has to be an outlier. It would be amazing if true. I wish I could read more about their methodology - did they directly interview people who voted early?
    Trump will certainly push people from the center to vote Dem, and there are even registered republican pundits and politicians who have endorsed Clinton, so it's believable that there will be some crossover. But 28% of registered FL republicans? I don't see it.
    If it's even remotely true, that's indicative of a landslide.
     
  13. Granville

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    "There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

    None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail."

    I'd say the bolded parts indicates a lack of trust in Clinton's judgment. They didn't charge her only because they said they couldn't improve intent. With all the I can't recall responses, taking the fifth, immunity deals and the destruction of evidence, it made it difficult to improve intent. Congress did get Comey to admit that Clinton was not truthful with all of her responses. It has been reported that the decision to not indict Hillary Clinton was not well received within the FBI.

    New e-mail's didn't just come up.... They have likely found emails that Clinton tried to hide. These e-mails could be game changers. It won't matter to some folks though
     
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    Florida is a must win for Trump to have any chance at 270.

    If Hillary can close the deal (and it looks like she is) it's going to be an early night next Tuesday.
     
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    and rand pauls were?
     
  16. No Worries

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    These e-mails might not be game changers. It won't matter to some folks though.
     
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    It's not a crossover, it's a realignment.

    Elites (social/political/economic) are consolidating on the Democratic side.

    Question is whether the GOP will be able to attract nonwhite non-elites to their current, Trump-led klan rally party.

    Don't bet on it....
     
  18. No Worries

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    Florida in the past has been slow to count votes and the state call will likely be late
     
  19. Granville

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    I agree with that statement. But that should be expected when the FBI concluded that she was too stupid to do an important part of her job.
     
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    This shall forever be known as the phrase that handed the White House to Hillary in 2016.

    Nice forward thinking, Republicans! Well done!
     

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