Texas liberals shamefully protest Perry's measures to safeguard women's health

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  1. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

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    ^See previous post for why they wouldn't.

    In any case, it doesn't even have to go that far, I don't think the Supreme Court is in any mood to grant cert to such sensitive cases anyways. Federal appeals courts know what's up!

    http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2...manently-blocks-arizona-20-week-abortion-ban/

     
  2. Northside Storm

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    for those of you tempted to cite Gonzales---a quick reminder---

    but try arguing that a ban would not impose an undue burden on the due process right of women to obtain abortions. I want to see the litigant who has the balls or lack of sense to do that.
     
  3. Commodore

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  4. Northside Storm

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    ...you do realize the distinct irony of deriding government intervention by upholding the support of a government ban on abortion, do you? :confused::confused::confused:
     
  5. Commodore

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    protection of individual rights, namely the right to one's own existence, is a morally legitimate function of government few would deride
     
  6. CometsWin

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    Can you name the legal rights of a fetus for me?
     
  7. Commodore

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    similar to those of an infant

    But no right can exist without the basic right to one's own existence.

    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ition.html#.UdLx8Odd5AA.twitter#ixzz2XxEkfTTs
     
  8. Northside Storm

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    well, except for the girls in the picture you posted :confused::confused::confused:
     
  9. Northside Storm

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    Why is the recognition of sound the marker for when an abortion becomes acceptable or not?

    i thought something like the age of viability worked, though you may or may not have missed 40 years of court rulings on the subject.

    If indeed, a fetus should have the same rights as an infant, are abortions not infanticide/murder? Should the mother be imprisoned and/or executed as the case may be in Texas?

    inquiring minds want to know what the implications are for your bold stance on prenatal rights, and whether or not you will walk the walk and think out the implications of what you are purporting. Several haven't. They like to focus on how mushy and cute a fetus is---that is clearly not the issue at hand.
     
  10. CometsWin

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    A fetus is certainly human but a fetus isn't an infant just like an infant isn't a teenager and a teenager isn't an adult.

    If 20 weeks is the viability point for legal abortion i have no problem with that. i dont need emotional peddling of stories on mommy's voices to make an informed decision on viability. If that's the science it's good enough for me.

    However, why does a fetus at a stage unaware of itself have a right to exist that overrides a woman's actual Constitutional right? You cannot define a person at conception when that "person" has not yet reached self-awareness. How do you ascribe the right to exist to a fetus that doesn't know he exists? For a human, existence and self-awareness are much the same thing.
     
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    Nice. Using children as protesters........Parents should be locked up for child abuse. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Commodore

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    I doubt they've given much thought to the subject at that age.

    oh I'd say the marker is far sooner, but it is an indicator of cognition, of basic human faculties, individual sensations not shared by the mother

    I wouldn't blindly follow Anthony Kennedy's dictat on what constitutes human life because he postures as a black robed authority on the subject. You keep appealing to authority as a substitute for debate and discussion. Too often we let them treat us like children and decide the big moral issues for us.

    of course

    Imprisoned (along with the abortionist)

    The issue at hand is human life and the characteristics that define it. Pain, cognition, sensation, unique DNA.

    Kermit Gosnell is what happens when you don't think our the implications of what you are condoning. He's more visible because it was happening outside the womb, but there's no moral difference if it happens moments before, hidden from view.
     
  13. Northside Storm

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    did the woman who fixed that sign up think about it? Did you when you posted the picture?

    ummmmm...did someone not teach you how rule of law works? :confused::confused::confused:

    In any case, your whole qualm on moral issues breaks down when instead of ruining one life, you want to ruin two, no wait three---

    duly noted about how you want to imprison women for getting abortions because of your lack of thought and consideration on the subject---you pat yourself on the back for thinking of the "great moral issues of the ages"---except your thoughts start and end at fetuses are mushy and cute, and you haven't even bothered to look up prenatal development! If you had---you would know fetuses develop sensation to pain at the end of the second trimester (27 weeks)

    And if you're positing that fetuses have cognition (which is VERY different from sense recognition), when at 27 weeks the nervous system has just been fully developed enough to control some body motions?

    thank god rule of law defers to authorities on the subject. LOL to dictat---and LOL to focusing your ire on Justice Kennedy. He's probably the justice with the closest ideological sense to you, if you'd taken the time to look that up.

    ---But Commodore, I get ahead of myself. We've established you can think outside the framework of fetus=cute. Great job. Now that we're here, and you want to imprison the woman and the abortionist---what is suitable? Life without parole, no? You keep on ranting on and on about how a fetus is similar to an infant. murder an infant and you go to the john for life, that's for certain. Can we clearly establish that instead of ruining one life, you want to ruin three?
     
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    fyi, this was the basis of Roe v. Wade.

    But anyways.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    Would you grant citizenship rights upon conception?
     
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    maybe Satan can.

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    So if a loved one of yours is in an accident one day and goes into a vegetative state, because they have no self awareness they should be offed?

    When our baby was in the womb even early on you were able to see her personality as she responded to our voices and even to our touch.
     
  18. CometsWin

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    Not comparable. That's someone that has had self-awareness and is viable as opposed to a fetus that has never had self-awareness and is not viable. People who require machines to stay alive are allowed to die every day.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    lol your side's rationalization changes by the day
     
  20. CometsWin

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    What was my rationalization yesterday? I would say its self-evident that once someone is born that they're a person with rights. Apparently you disagree.

    Your "side" is all emotional on abortion but that is somehow always missing when it comes to addressing the poor or the homeless or the sick or children in poverty or education or healthcare. It's a remarkable Jekyll and Hyde act.

    I can't remember the last time one of your posts was anything other than some snide drive by quip with no substance whatsoever. You should work on that.
     

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