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Lionel Hollins criticizes analytics in radio interview

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  1. redhotrox

    redhotrox Contributing Member

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    SB Nation article: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/1/11/3866592/lionel-hollins-memphis-grizzlies-interview-2012

    Kinda interesting after they just hired Hollinger...Here's what some twitter guys commented:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Here's what's sad to me about Lionel Hollins' comments: He thinks statistical analysis has different goals than he does.</p>&mdash; Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) <a href="https://twitter.com/kpelton/status/289815565491662848" data-datetime="2013-01-11T19:26:29+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>This Lionel Hollins interview is just puzzling, his reasoning for why scoring is down is nonsense. Also bemoans "stats" and "analysis" cont</p>&mdash; Haralabos Voulgaris (@haralabob) <a href="https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/289820936029470720" data-datetime="2013-01-11T19:47:50+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>but then mentions the Houston Rockets are scoring a lot. I wonder if he understands why they are scoring a lot.</p>&mdash; Haralabos Voulgaris (@haralabob) <a href="https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/289821211385556992" data-datetime="2013-01-11T19:48:56+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The Lionel Hollins interview has pretty much confirmed all the suspicions I've had about how he handles his team. Glad he's getting exposed.</p>&mdash; Brett Koremenos (@BKoremenos) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKoremenos/status/289823941378318337" data-datetime="2013-01-11T19:59:46+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>So to sum up the Hollins interview, he's not a strategist and he's not open to advanced stats. Great combination for today's NBA.</p>&mdash; Brett Koremenos (@BKoremenos) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKoremenos/status/289826508304953346" data-datetime="2013-01-11T20:09:58+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    #1 redhotrox, Jan 11, 2013
  2. larsv8

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    This is good though. We need bad management in the league so the Rockets can capitalize.
     
    #2 larsv8, Jan 11, 2013
  3. GanjaRocket

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    well they have potentially good management in Hollinger now...


    their coach is lookin to get fired it seems like? but as long as they win they can't fire him
     
    #3 GanjaRocket, Jan 11, 2013
  4. BigBenito

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    Reading the article, it sounds like Hollins is a guy that would believe that when flipping a coin, "tails never fails".
     
    #4 BigBenito, Jan 11, 2013
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    I think he's just being a good coach, ie sticking up for his player. It's widely known Hollinger dislikes Gay as a player and now Gay is rumored to be on the trade block. This is just Hollins showing his support while Gay is still on the team.
     
    #5 hooroo, Jan 11, 2013
  6. Nook

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    While Hollinger is a step in the right direction, his stuff is very simple and not in the same league with what Boston, Dallas and Houston are doing.
     
    #6 Nook, Jan 11, 2013
  7. JayGoogle

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    What did he say that was bad?

    He didn't knock it, but he said it can't be the end all and be all. A lot of these stat guys think the numbers can tell you everything and they simply cannot.

    He's right too. Stats Can't be used as the determining factor, there is a human element here that stats usually can't get a hold of.

    Right there. I think he summed it up right there.
     
    #7 JayGoogle, Jan 11, 2013
  8. Kwame

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    Steve Kerr downplayed the important of analytics last night during the Heat-Blazers game on TNT as well and so has Phil Jackson.
     
    #8 Kwame, Jan 11, 2013
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    Got $5 this has been taken out of context somehow.
     
    #9 seyton, Jan 11, 2013
  10. JuanValdez

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    Daryl Morey has also said analytics isn't sufficient by itself. I don't know why these guys can't get with the times and play some moreyb-- oh wait, nevermind.
     
    #10 JuanValdez, Jan 11, 2013
  11. The_Yoyo

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    i would downplay everything if i had to coach

    an in prime kobe and shaq,
    an in prime jordan and pippin

    and if i got to play with an in prime jordan and duncan

    i mean how did kerr's GM experience go with the suns?
     
    #11 The_Yoyo, Jan 11, 2013
  12. what

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    The grizzlies defense has nothing to do with analytics. It's just a thing of beauty.
     
    #12 what, Jan 11, 2013
  13. joepu

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    You can'tdeny he's done agreat job as head coach.
     
    #13 joepu, Jan 11, 2013
  14. DreamShook

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    I've always wondered why you are on this forum if you are such a huge Grizz fan.
     
    #14 DreamShook, Jan 11, 2013
  15. A_3PO

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    From reading the article, it sure seems like Hollins is aiming at somebody (like Hollinger). Sounds like a pre-emptive strike against something their front office is considering.

    This is unfortunate for the Grizzlies.
     
    #15 A_3PO, Jan 11, 2013
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    When you're handcuffed and forced to make trades based on shedding salary and a notoriously cheap owner, those moves you make tend to be bad ones.
     
    #16 TebowTime, Jan 11, 2013
  17. GanjaRocket

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    this is arguably one of the best basketball forums around.

    I'd come here if I was another teams fan
     
    #17 GanjaRocket, Jan 11, 2013
  18. what

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    I was a member of this forum way before I was a grizzlies fan. That's why. I've been on this forum since 1994.
     
    #18 what, Jan 11, 2013
  19. jayhow92

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    Simple. He's a troll.
     
    #19 jayhow92, Jan 11, 2013
  20. Raven

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    In a weird sort of way, Hollins just bumped up Gays' trade value.

    :)
     
    #20 Raven, Jan 11, 2013
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