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Is it Possible to land LeBron in 2018 & keep Gordon, Ariza & others cap wise?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AB83Rules, Oct 8, 2017.

  1. Drexlerfan22

    Drexlerfan22 Contributing Member

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    Well, my profile picture is already different from his.

    And Mathrocker and Pen15clubber are the only two that have done it more than once, so at this point they are the only ones I'm bothering to reply to about it.

    I get that it's not intentional in all likelihood, but I've been tagged by one of those two a bunch of times recently. The first few times it was more funny than anything, but after awhile getting mistaken for a troll gets irritating.
     
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    Ah yes the clutchfans unnoficial mall cop at it again.
     
  3. heypartner

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    Mathrocker has made the same mistake 8 times this week alone. It's easy to search.

    @Mathrocker is doing it intentionally; hence, why he's yet to say "oops, sorry dude. my mistake. won't do it again."

    it's just what middle school brats do.
     
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  4. Calebhardin9

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    They don't have to want to trade him, he can force his way here with the no trade clause. He's not a weak minded fool like melo, he would wield it like a spear and even sit out time if he had too (it's not like he cares about the regular season). Also they should make the trade because then they could have a lineup of

    Isaiah Thomas Eric Gordon
    JR smith Iman shumpert
    Michael Porter (bkn pick) Kyle Korver
    Kevin Love. PJ Tucker
    Tristan Thompson nene

    I feel like that's a top 2-3 team in the east with upward potential due to the bkn pick's development and trade assets.

    I feel like they would succumb to LeBrons pressure if this is the worst they fall back on. Yes, it's not fair value, but he could leave for free to LAL.

    From LeBrons perspective, it's a true free trial and he would enter free agency again in 2019. He gets his money, short term flexibility, and a chance to win a title with his friend(s). Maybe he wants to play in Hollywood more and win a ring in LA but I don't know
     
  5. Will

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    To anyone interested in the original question: On all matters cap, and on most matters of transaction, BimaThug rules. So you can take this as the definitive answer.
     
  6. theh

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    The changes of Lebron coming are negative slim to negative none
     
  7. YaoMing#1

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    This is why the NBA should have intervened the Durant to GS.

    It's just not supposed to happen. KD became a FA when the cap jumped, the dubs were paying curry nothing and green and klay got 5 year 80m max deals instead of the crazy 5/148m deals all these guys are getting after there rookie contracts.

    The warriors got extreamly lucky no team will ever be able to assemble a team like that ever again even if they drafted all those players. It's not financially possible and I haven't even factored in iggy making 16m a year.

    With that's said I would try and sell cp3 on a 5 years 100m deal if it meant we could sign Lebron.

    I mean realistically if Lebron really wants to have a legit chance at beating the warriors, Houston and Boston are his best bets and we know he's not going to Boston.

    Harden 30m
    Cp3 25m
    Lebron 25m
    Gordon 13m

    And you prob have to let Capela go because I would rather go the dubs route and plug and play at the center spot and try and keep Ariza and one of tucker luc.

    Plus nene would still be here I don't see his 4m a year holding anything back.

    That gets you 7 legit players and you have

    Houston is the best spot for Lebron if he wants to win no other team offers him a chance to play with 2 other top 10 player and harden is still young and a legit MVP caliber player in his prime.

    Not saying it will happen but I bet lebron will at the very least consider it even if it's just for a day.
     
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  8. heypartner

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    nm. read something wrong in the CBA
     
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  9. J.R.

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    'Which teams can compete for superstar free agents like LeBron?'

    Now that another NBA offseason full of high-profile transactions and spending is in the books, let's look ahead to the summer of 2018.

    Which teams could and should have the cap space to sign top free agents such as LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Paul George, Chris Paul, DeMarcus Cousins, DeAndre Jordan and Jabari Parker?

    Most of the franchises with projected cap space -- the Hawks, Nets, Bulls, Mavericks, Pacers, Lakers, 76ers and Kings -- are in the early stages of rebuilding.

    After two seasons of excessive spending in free agency, players next summer will likely need to weigh signing with their current teams or a team years away from competing for a championship. Also, the current list of eight teams will not increase even if James, Cousins, George or Jordan leaves in free agency. Cleveland, New Orleans, Oklahoma City and the Clippers would still be over the cap if they were to lose their All-Stars.

    Two max slots (but will need some help)

    Los Angeles Lakers | Projected cap space: $68 million


    The public perception is that L.A. is the leader in the clubhouse when it comes to cap space next summer. Although that theory could prove to be true, the Lakers have work to do if they wish to create two max salary slots.

    Wiping out the $60 million in free agent holds of Brook Lopez, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Corey Brewer leaves the Lakers with $35 million in room, good enough for one max player. Crating another max slot will come with obstacles and some help (likely from a team in the East).

    For starters, moving the contract of Jordan Clarkson and Luol Deng will be challenging based on both players' having two years (2018-19 and 2019-20) left on their deals. As evident with the salary dump of the Raptors' DeMarre Carroll to Brooklyn, Lakers management will probably need to attach an unprotected first-round pick to each player. Moving both Deng and Clarkson could create up to $64 million in room, including the $12.5 million free-agent hold of Julius Randle.

    The Lakers also can take the approach of stretching the Deng contract and finding a new home for Clarkson. L.A. would have $68 million in room with Deng stretched, Clarkson traded and the Randle cap hold renounced. The Lakers would then be able to sign a $35 million max player and a $30 million max player on the open market.

    One max slot (or the ability to get close)

    Atlanta Hawks | Projected cap space: $25 million


    Two years removed from spending significant cap space on Kent Bazemore and Dwight Howard, Hawks management has turned its attention to rebuilding and not a quick fix in free agency. That was evident this past summer, when Atlanta turned cap space into future draft assets.

    Once the $23 million in combined free-agent cap holds of Ersan Ilyasova and Marco Belinelli is removed, Atlanta will project to have $33 million in cap space in July. Factor in a potential lottery pick and 2018 first-rounders from Houston and Minnesota, and the Hawks' cap space shrinks to $25 million.

    Brooklyn Nets | Projected cap space: $12 million

    Cap space has been a rude awakening for the Nets the past two years. Flushed with money to spend, Brooklyn has learned that building a roster with trades is more beneficial than the uncertainty of free agency (even at the risk of future cap space). The Nets did their 2018 free-agent shopping on the trade front this summer, when they acquired Timofey Mozgov, Allen Crabbe, D'Angelo Russell and DeMarre Carroll. All four players have $57 million in combined salaries for 2018-19.

    If the Nets are going to have significant cap space, point guard Jeremy Lin will need to opt out of his $12.5 million contract. However, now that Lin is lost for the season because of a ruptured right knee patella, the likelihood of him opting-out is remote. Brooklyn currently projects to have $12 million in room, a figure that could increase to $24 million if Lin does opt out.

    Chicago Bulls | Projected cap space: $23 million

    The Bulls are in a similar position to Atlanta: a perennial playoff team that has moved from building a roster around veterans to short-term contracts and draft assets.

    The third-youngest roster in the NBA projects to have $23 million in cap space next July. The room factors in the $9.6 million Zach LaVine free-agent cap hold, the $12.5 million team option for Nikola Mirotic and the $7 million first-round hold for a potential lottery pick. That room would increase to $35 million if the option for Mirotic is not exercised. If Chicago continues to follow the steps in rebuilding, expect the Bulls to take a conservative approach with cap space and sign LaVine to a long-term contract.

    Dallas Mavericks | Projected cap space: $22 million

    The Mavericks caught a break this summer when Nerlens Noel turned down a $75 million contract. Had Noel committed long-term, Dallas would likely have entered next summer with no cap flexibility. With Noel's $7.9 million free-agent hold, Dallas is projected to have $22 million in room -- a figure that could increase to $30 million if Noel signs elsewhere. The room factors in the Mavericks' first-round pick.

    While Wesley Matthews is unlikely to opt out of his $18.6 million contract, Dallas does have flexibility with Dirk Nowitzki's $5 million team option and combined $5 million free-agent holds from Seth Curry and Yogi Ferrell. Both Curry and Ferrell factor into part of the Mavericks' future, and Dallas could sign either player with early bird rights instead of dipping into its available cap space.

    Philadelphia 76ers | Projected cap space: $25 million

    How Philadelphia handles the Robert Covington renegotiation or extension will dictate the Sixers' cap space. Philadelphia -- currently with $15.2 million in room -- can renegotiate or extend Covington starting Nov. 15.

    After the Joel Embiid rookie extension, a projected $10 million salary for Covington, the 76ers' own first-rounder and possibly the Lakers' lottery pick, Philly's cap room shrinks to $25 million next season. (The Sixers get L.A.'s pick if it lands at No. 1 or Nos. 6-30; otherwise it goes to Boston). The room takes into account removing the $40 million in free-agent holds of free agents JJ Redick and Amir Johnson and trading the $6.3 million Jahlil Okafor contract.

    The Sixers could have $35 million if they elect to wait until the summer to sign Covington, but then they run the risk of the losing the unrestricted free agent to a new team.

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    Wait for the summer of 2019

    Indiana Pacers | Projected cap space: None (but fluid)


    Indiana will enter the offseason over the salary cap but with the flexibility to create room. The direction the Pacers choose with the non-guaranteed contracts of Bojan Bogdanovic, Darren Collison and Al Jefferson will dictate their cap space. All three players combine for $30 million in salary, with only $7.5 million guaranteed. If Indiana elects to waive each player, cap space will increase to $25 million. The room factors in a potential top-five pick.

    The best approach for the rebuilding Pacers is to retain all three players and take advantage of the free-agent market in 2019. Indiana will have only four players -- Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, T.J. Leaf and Myles Turner (cap hold) -- counting against the cap and could have up to $72 million in room.

    Sacramento Kings | Projected cap space: $15 million

    Sacramento projects to have $15 million in cap space next summer. However, with Vince Carter the lone free agent, look for the Kings to roll over room to 2019, when the contracts of Zach Randolph, Kosta Koufos, Garrett Temple and possibly George Hill are off the books.

    By 2019, Sacramento could have $50 million or more in cap space.

    In a holding pattern

    New York Knicks | Projected cap space: None


    The Knicks' cap situation in the summer of 2018 is based on the future of Enes Kanter (player option), along with veterans Joakim Noah and Courtney Lee.

    Although stretching the Noah contract would save New York $10 million in cap room in 2018-19, the Knicks would have a cap hit of $7.5 million in each season until the summer of 2022.

    Currently, the Knicks have $91 million in guaranteed contracts (factoring in all three of Kanter, Noah and Lee). The free-agent cap holds of Doug McDermott and a projected 2018 lottery pick have the Knicks at the cap.

    Orlando Magic | Projected cap space: None

    The restricted free agency of former lottery picks Elfrid Payton and Aaron Gordon has the Magic right at the salary cap.

    Until there is a resolution with both players, Orlando will not have the flexibility to add a player outright next summer.

    Phoenix Suns | Projected cap space: None

    The recent TJ Warren extension has the Suns at $86 million in guaranteed contracts.

    The $5.5 million Alan Williams non-guaranteed contract and $7.9 million Alex Len cap hold has the Suns over the cap, factoring in their own lottery pick and a first-rounder from Miami.

    The Suns could create cap flexibility based on the trade package they eventually receive for Eric Bledsoe -- the disgruntled point guard is owed $15 million next season -- and Phoenix does have $23 million in the expiring contracts of Jared Dudley and Tyson Chandler to shed if it is looking to create room quickly.

    The dark horse team

    Houston Rockets | Projected cap space: None


    Don't count out GM Daryl Morey when it comes to getting a seat at the free-agent table. Even without cap space in recent years, Houston has been at the front of the line when it comes to recruiting players.

    For Morey to get an audience next summer, Houston will need to come up with a plan to shed salary. Houston is likely to be in the luxury tax with the pending free agency of Chris Paul and Clint Capela.

    In order for Houston to clear its books, Ryan Anderson, Nene, Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker would need to be traded. All of those players have at least two years left on their contracts, and finding a home could be challenging. Just look at the Rockets' struggles to move Anderson this past offseason.

    If the Rockets do pull off all those moves, $20.5 million in room would be available, with only the $30.4 million James Harden contract and cap holds of $35.7 million for Chris Paul and $7 million for Capela counting on their books.​
     
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    There is no way the Rockets clear the books like that. Morey would go about signing Lebron in other ways just like with CP3.
     
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    We need to move Ryan by the trade deadline for a player signed only through 2018-19, such as Tobias Harris. Obviously it will take an additional asset to get a deal like that done. But then we would have a player we could flip on a LeBron trade as opposed to an anchor like Ryno.
     
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    Yeah, i'm not sure the Cavs will be willing to do a sign & trade if they would've to take back Ryan, granted, next summer Ryan will only have two years left on his contract so, maybe it will be easier to move, but still, i wouldn't bet on that...if somehow we'll be able to swap him with a better player/contract though, that would really help since a sign & trade would be way better for us to get Lebron.
     
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    I'm really starting to think Eric Gordon is our 3rd star, he's playing so great so far this season.
     
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    offer them bobby brown and a future 2nd for lebron and call it an offseason
     
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    Don't know where to put this and i don't think I.D.I.O.T lol, but:

    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- LeBron James' business partner Maverick Carter said James -- in the final year of his deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers -- won't start thinking about his next career step until about a week after the NBA season comes to an end.

    And when that time comes, location won't play much of a role.

    "These days it doesn't matter anymore," Carter said during an interview on The Rich Eisen Show early Wednesday morning when asked specifically about the importance of where James plays. "The Lakers and the Knicks have been bad. The Knicks for a very long time and the Lakers since Kobe (Bryant) kind of aged out of being the best player or one of the best players in the league and basketball is doing as great as ever with teams in Oklahoma City and Cleveland. These days it doesn't matter because you can be known and be a star from anywhere in the world. It doesn't actually matter.

    "Could he sell a few more sneakers if he was in a gigantic market like Boston, Chicago, New York, or L.A.? Maybe. But not as much as if he wins. What matters the most is if he wins. When you win as an athlete that matters the most."

    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2017/11/maverick_carter_on_lebron_jame.html


    ESPN about to ignore this :rolleyes::D
     
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