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Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails'

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  1. mc mark

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    House investigators have learned that the Bush administration’s use of Republican National Committee email accounts is far greater than previously disclosed — 140,216 emails sent or received by Karl Rove alone — and that the RNC has overseen “extensive destruction” of many of the emails, including all email records for 51 White House officials.

    For the last several months, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has been “investigating whether White House officials violated the Presidential Records Act” by using email accounts maintained by the RNC and the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign for official White House communications. Today’s findings confirm that the accounts were used “for official purposes, such as communicating with federal agencies about federal appointments and policies.” The report adds:

    Given the heavy reliance by White House officials on RNC e-mail accounts, the high rank of the White House officials involved, and the large quantity of missing e-mails, the potential violation of the Presidential Records Act may be extensive.

    Some other key findings:

    RNC account use far greater than believed: Despite White House spokesperson Dana Perino’s claim that 50 White House officials used RNC email accounts “over the course of the administration,” the committee learned that at least 88 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts.

    Bush-Cheney 04 campaign stonewalling: The committee says it may need to “issue compulsory process” to force the cooperation of the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign. Despite providing at least eleven White House officials with email accounts, “the campaign has unjustifiably refused” to provide the Committee with even the most basic information about the accounts, including the number of e-mails that have been preserved.

    Destroyed RNC emails may be preserved by federal agencies. The RNC has preserved only 130 e-mails sent to Karl Rove during Bush’s first term and no e-mails sent by Rove prior to November 2003. “For many other White House officials, the RNC has no e-mails from before the fall of 2006.” Several federal agencies contacted by the committee have indicated they “have preserved official communications that were destroyed by the RNC,” but others have resisted the investigation.

    Gonzales may have known about RNC account use. According to a deposition from Rove’s former assistant Susan Ralston, in 2001, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales “may have known that White House officials were using RNC e-mail accounts for official business, but took no action to preserve these presidential records.” The committee calls for an investigation into Gonzales’ actions on this matter.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/18/emails-waxman/
     
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    Just to make sure I have that straight. The poitn made is that Bush Admins used the RNC servers to circumvent the thing aout Presidential Record right?
     
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    right

    [edit] Not to mention that it's also a crime to destroy the emails.
     
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    thats a grotesque number (140k) if true. One can only imagine the crap in there.

    Maybe we can find out what the hell went on in the oil cartel meetings, oops I mean the Cheny Energy meetings :rolleyes:
     
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    To imagine that there are some people out there who believe that they aren't covering up anything.

    Or even worse there are people like basso, who may recognize that they are covering up, and possibly committing crimes and running a corrupt whitehouse, but believe that congress shouldn't investigate it, or tie them up with subpoenas because it will get in the way of the brilliant job they are doing running the war.
     
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    assuming a period of 6 years, that's about 70/day, which is pretty close to how many emails i send/receive on a daily basis.
     
  7. No Worries

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    Congress should assign a special prosecutor and be done with it. A good political move since the prosecution could easily go into the next election cycle.
     
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    And your point is?

    The difference is, we can most likely find out where yours are going or where they came from.

    ;)
     
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    If anyone's interested, here's the full report.

    http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070618105243.pdf


    The early House assessment says:


     
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    it is suspicious, but blindly trying to determine what those emails were about is probably not any better than trying to "cover something up". was it about oil? maybe...was it a fwdd p*rn video? maybe. i would put a higher probability on the latter.
     
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    140,000 p*rn video emails? You're actually going to try to defend this?

    <I>that the accounts were used “for official purposes, such as communicating with federal agencies about federal appointments and policies.”</I>

    You're arguing that the report was lying?
     
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    Well it is Rove. Most probably gay p*rn videos.
     
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    well i didnt say they were all p*rn,of course its not. Im saying that people assume its some huge conspiracy (and maybe it is) yet they do not seem to account for the possibility that it very well could be harmless and mundane emails as well.

    well my employer has a report/policy stating emails should only be used for business purposes as well...but i just got an invite to happy hour after work. :)
     
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    If the emails were "harmless and mundane", why did they use RNC email IDs instead of White House email IDs? :confused:
     
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    im sure he was sharing them! i wonder if a certain mr. gannon showed up in any of those?

    [​IMG]

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    The problem isn't that they sent too many e-mails each day.

    They problem is that destroying the official e-mails is against the law, and what are they hiding that makes them feel the need to break the law and destroy the e-mails.

    How many or how few e-mails they destroyed only goes to show how extensive their cover-up was.
     
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    Doesn't matter. 5 emails or 5 million; they systematically broke the Presidential records act by destroying them.
     
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    look. im not defending anyone or trying to argue for them, but i also dont think that erased emails is enough overly incriminating like same may think. I stated that i do think it is suspect...but letting conspiracy theorists run away with ideas is also not a road i would endorse either.

    like i said, just like the possibility that the emails were suspicious, there is a possibility that they were nothing at all. Lets be honest, there are a ton of completely worthless, yet business related, emails that fly around the office.

    now from what i've heard, emails no matter how mundane they are are suppose to be kept...correct? well then you get into the area of a possible computer glitche.

    like i said, suspecious but im not running with the ball as aggressively as some. At least not at this point
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Exactly. That's why I don't understand the point of basso's post about the number of e-mails, but he fails to touch on the criminality of the whole matter at all.
     
  20. giddyup

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    I've got them. Here's the breakdown:

    22,212 Penis Enlargement solicitations
    18,648 Credit Card Offers
    13,967 Viagra solicitations
    37,386 Offers to refinance debt
    21,721 Debt Reduction Strategy letters
    27,515 Nigerian scams

    Nothing there really....
     

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