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I will shut down the government. I will take that mantle

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. body slam

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    At this point both sides are at fault.
     
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    It looks like the TSA sickouts (that the trump and wh denied were happening) worked, at least temporarily...

     
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    High comedy. If I wanted to highlight how much of a spineless weasel Trump is, I couldn't have come up with a better contrast than this perversion of Trumans phrase that Trump bestowed on himself.

    But I'm guessing his minions will will nod and clap, completely oblivious. If a tree falls in the forrest...
     
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    Lesson learned: the next Democrat President will veto all spending bills and CRs and will demand Single Payer, Free College, Gun Reform, etc to not veto.
     
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    Best.President.Ever.
     
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    Even if this is true, the president will always take the brunt of the blame, unfair or not.

    It's like Harden being blamed for not getting past the warriors or the QB of a football team. He's the leader and polls are showing that most people blame him...as they should...he was taking the mantle for the shutdown...
     
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    If you are correct, then Trump was a real idiot to say that he would shut it down, and take the mantle for doing so. He said it, and now he will have to live with it.

    For what it's worth, I believe he is at least 88% responsible. The Democrats may deserve some small portion of the blame.
     
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    it seems like neither side wants to compromise, budge, or blink because it would be a sign of weakness
     
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    I believe trump is more responsible for starting it, but chuck and nancy are equally responsible for keeping it going. Like I said neither side wants to compromise, budge, or blink because it would be a sign of weakness and no one wants to be the loser
     
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    I think it’s more important than looking weak and scoring poltical points for the Democrats.

    If they just gave in, and funded a border wall in the middle of desert just to appease Trump-

    A. He’s not a good faith negotiator and could still veto the bill and ask for more.. and more... and more. There’s little indication that he’s not shutting down the government because he thinks it’s good politically.

    B. What a horrible precedent for a major increase in the powers of the presidency.

    The Trump Shutdown precedent could be used for anything. A Dem president could cite the Trump shutdown in an attempt to fund free college for all or healthcare for all, or you name it.

    You simply cannot allow a president to extend their powers this way. It’s a standard spending bill resolution. The constitution clearly was not designed to pass large policy debates by this authoritarian approach.

    This is a Democracy. He’s not king George. If the Dems give in, it’s not about scoring poltical points. It’s important mostly for the sake of our democracy to not allow this type of expansion of the presidential powers. They must stay firm and do a better job of making their case to the American public why it’s important. And it is IMO.
     
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    Stopping the government over a wall is ridiculous. Congress actually agreed to spending and it needed his signature to get through

    He or a Dem president could do it again and again until they got what they wanted.
     
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    Exactly. Letting this slide would be detrimental and set a precedent for future presidents to power grab. He’s not King George.
     
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    I don't doubt that it's being promoted as such but zoom in. That's not an axe cut or saw cut. And again it makes no sense since that tree isn't stopping them from driving on anything. Much easier to just drive wherever you want vs. chop a tree down in the middle of nowhere.
     
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    So, are you accusing the Park Service of lying about trees being cut down?
     
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    How are they responsible for keeping it going? Trump is holding the government hostage over a campaign promise he can’t keep. It is not the job of congress to rubber stamp any dumb ideas that a president promises on the campaign trail. If they give in on this, it sets a horrible precedent for the future. Trump 100% created this and owns it.
     
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    All this mess for just $5B? lol, This is so not MAGA.
     
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    Never compromise with ignorant, lying buffoonery.
     
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    True, Chuck and Nancy should not be compremised with.
     
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