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  1. apollo33

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    Cp3 just don't have the durability to run the offense almost the entire game like Harden did. But he will definitely run it more efficiently the time he is on the court
     
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    The hollic has spoketh
     
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  3. heypartner

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    Your use of the word "on-court" somewhat confuses what stats you are predicting.

    Just to be clear: are you talking about Team ORtg in games Harden misses and Paul plays or Paul's individual "on-court" ORtg in those games vs Harden's individual ORtg last year?

    I ask because most ppl don't really care about Individual ORtg as a stat
     
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  4. MorningZippo

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    As long as we adjust for pace. If we slow down the offense to let CP3 handle the ball more often at his preferred tempo, I would expect gained efficiency at the cost of possessions/game.
     
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    all I hope is that D’antoni doesn’t go crazy with CP3’s minutes and that CP3 can stay healthy for the time that Harden is out, if he ends up having to miss some games then we’d be truly fcked
     
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  6. basketballholic

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    I stated what I meant. Clearly the team offensive rating when Paul is on-court versus the team offensive rating when Harden was on-court last season.
     
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  7. heypartner

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    I'm honestly not trying to argue. It's an interesting topic. I'm mainly asking because I don't know where to get those stats, as you describe them. where do you get these Team ORtg numbers filtered by when a specific player is on the court. Not sure if NBA stats does this. @aelliott do you know?

    Do you have a link to Harden's on-court stats last year?

    Personally, I'm more interested in the entire Team's ORtg for the whole game, when Paul is the only star playing vs Harden last year or Harden this year when Paul was out. Reason I'm more interested in that is if one guy plays 6 more minutes than the other, he might not have the higher on-court Team ORtg, but the team's entire game ORtg could be higher...e.g., likely neither player will have a higher on-court ORtg as Capela.

    Also, using the Team ORtg for the whole game allows us to compare to MDA/ Nash teams, because I seriously doubt filtering Team ORtg for only the minutes Nash played is an available stat.

    But, yeah, I can see why you'd want to compare ORtgs for just on-court time.
     
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  8. TEXNIFICENT

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    He's delusional. CP3 won't last 2 games as the lead dog. He'll be injured and it will be James's fault that CP3 is injured. Harden has been very durable and has spoiled the masses. This team really needs another star player in their prime.
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Definition of stubborn.

    As we have discussed previously: 3-pt accessories (changed out):

    Luc MaM/Tucker/CP3/ & now Gerald Green (shooting 50% from 3-pt land in 3 games)

    >>>>>

    Bev/Dekker/Lou Williams (shot 32% from 3 as a Rocket......because he is a volume shooter
    that has a tendency to drop 3P% with USG under 28).

    Your little experiment is only valid with the same components in place.
    Ryan Anderson, Eric Gordon, Ariza, Nene, Capela are your constants from last year.
    Capela is better now though.....drawing greater attention
     
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  10. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    Capela this year >>>>>>>>>> Capela last year
    Harden this year >>>>>>>>> Harden last year

    nice try comparing apples to oranges

    so compare 81 games of Harden with last year's Capela

    to a small sample size of Cp3 with this years Capela without Harden

    if you really want to compare apples to apples,

    why not compare this years

    Harden plus Capela minus Cp3

    to

    Cp3 plus Capela minus Harden
     
  11. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.
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    It isn’t Paul v harden.

    It isn’t 17-18 v 16-17.

    Quit feeding division.
     
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  12. LewLLOYD

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    i’d like a CP3 led team w/ harden healing to return to...

    1. unconsciously jacking threes
    2. playing solid D w/ luc back
    3. destroying other teams before the end of the third quarter

    this will require...
    1. EGo to score buckets on buckets as a more centerpiece type player
    2. luc to come back healthy
    3. ryno to couple w/ CP3 as before, for 70% from three point land six feet behind the line giving absurd spacing and silencing ryno critiques (legit argument to say team goes as ryno goes b/c a scoring ryno indicates threes coming from everywhere, multiple players)
    4.Green plays good D and keeps shooting solid from three


    in short, in harden’s absence...
    1.CP3 gets to explore what its like to be nash.
    2.Second unit, when harden returns, will be the better for it.
    3. flipping c’mon unconsciously shoot it again because it was working i want to see more mind boggling blowouts, EGo, Ariza, Ryno, Paul, all of these guys can put up 20 a night, jack 10 to 12 threes each and have absolutely no conscience please
     
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  13. BigMaloe

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    These seems rather difficult to actually graph and compare the statistics of the two different sides of this query.

    Sample size will also likely be much different.

    But, we could just do a lazy comparison for *****, giggles and hot takes.

    In order to do so, we have to take the next (X) amount of games and compare them to last seasons 114.7. Not just cp3 on the court but also off when ego is running it.

    I mean it’s rather easy to compare just not very meaningful of a comparison.
     
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    Let's just hope he stays injury-free before harden gets back.
     
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    I will not be surprised if Paul starts putting up 20 point/15(+) assist games regularly.
     
  17. basketballholic

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    Capela isn't even playing up to his diminished capacity right now.

    Role players are role players. Mic and match however you like. Chris Paul is the superior drive of the MDA offensive machine.
     
  18. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    so compare apples to apples then

    Harden vs Cp3 same year same cast whats so difficult about that?
     
  19. Nook

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    I have to laugh at all the idiots that believe that Harden being injured is going to magically unlock some white bread Hoosiers egalitarian offense renaissance for the Rockets.

    James Harden wasn’t holding the Rockets offense back. Most of the time he was holding the whole team on his back.
     
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  20. basketballholic

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    I didn't say any of that. I simply stated that Chris Paul will drive a more efficient offensive machine for MDA than Harden has. Paul is the better distributor, shoot creator, and ball handler (not the better scorer) than Harden.
     

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