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Fixing this mess of a roster

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. BackdoorHarden

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    Yes. don't be cheap. He's a billionaire. He can afford it. You're going for a 'Ship. not to play for 2nd best, so you got to spend when it doesn't affect your salary cap since you're maxed out anyway
     
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  2. BackdoorHarden

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    True. Warriors always sign a hungry G League player every year like Cook and McKinnie. They don't let guys get comfortable
     
  3. HorryForThree

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    I am sure i'm in the minority here, but I honestly thought at the time and still feel the trade for CP3 was short-sighted, especially when you compare the haul we had to give away for CP3 in comparison to what other teams have traded away for similar superstars. Jimmy Butler, Paul George, etc. were traded for two marquee players, but we basically traded the heart of our roster and a first rounder. Losing Bev, Montrezl, and Lou Williams was major, and the second half of the season this team was really coming together with the guys even if it was a bad ending to the Spurs. I'm not saying CP3 isnt an amazing PG and that we wouldnt have been in the finals if it wasnt for his hamstring (we definitely would have been), but this decline was expected and we all knew CP3 was on the backside of his career and that we were trading youth for age at the time.
     
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  4. High Vibrationz

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    Shut Up !! Its not Morey fault its James Harden ,Cp3 and Capela fault they got greedy and took all the money which left us handicap to a degree, theres only so much Morey can do when he got a budget and a salary cap to deal with ,Look at Tim duncan Lbj in miami ,Kd on golden state ,they all took pay cut becuze they knew it would greatly increase their chances at bulking their roster.Wat did our players do? Exact opposite. Feel free to reply ,
     
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  5. Zboy

    Zboy Contributing Member

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    What has really killed us is that Ryan Anderson contract and how much of a cap space it has eaten away with no returns.

    We got rid of Ryan but we still have that salary cap taken away, in two instead of one contract.

    Until Morey finds a way to turn that handicap into productive players, we are not taking the next step.

    Ryan Anderson has been single handily killing this team's championship hopes.

    That was a disastrous of a contract. The most harmful contract in terms of negative impact in the Morey era.
     
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  6. kjayp

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    As it stands right now - we are in a worse position to beat GSW than we were at the end of last season... and it doesnt appear we're doing anything to change that reality...

    if we replaced Melo with someone who can provide better production/defense - great... if we cut Melo to give consistent minutes to Clark, Hartenstein, etc to develop guys - fine.... but ow yer just cutting off your nose to spite your face by running shorter rotations and asking our starters to pull longer minutes... we've seen how that works out...

    At least with Melo there was a remote possibility that chemistry could've developed, maybe he could've better learned his role and found a way to carve out a niche where he could have been productive... but that possibility (no matter how remote) is gone... and imo 10 games was not sufficient time to try to get him assimilated...

    'Addition by subtraction' is always the popular phrase to use... but that aint gonna win us a championship! Our 'addition by subtraction' doesn't offset our actual subtractions from last year...

    As I've said to you before when debating Melo... idgaf about Melo necessarily - but we gotta have other moves to make or we're just spinning our wheels...
     
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  7. dkoune

    dkoune Rookie

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    Sometimes the solution is so simple it flies over your (DM’s) head.

    You want your team to shoot historical amount of threes but you lack the personel to do so.

    Easy fix sign Nick “Swaggy Champ” Young, then sign Jimmer Freddete to play back for Cp3 and light it up, and or maybe trade for Kyle Korver or Jr.

    let it fly swag champs.
     
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  8. Zboy

    Zboy Contributing Member

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    While there is no easy solution, Melo is definitely not the solution.

    Signing him was a move out of desperation. Holding onto him hoping that it will work out would have been even more of a desperation and further waste of time.

    Nothing about his history or his play style suggested that it would work out. It's a complete mismatch to what we need and how our team is built and plays.
     
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  9. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    To be fair, the player we traded was Montrezl. The Clippers turned him into MONTREZL.
     
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  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Yes.

    DD
     
  11. BleedsRocketRed

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    Hard to believe we are only 6 losses away from our ENTIRE LOSS TOTAL from last year, and its not even December.

    Man. What a punch to the gut.
     
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    All i know is ennis is garbage... and the Rockets need to make moves to be close to where they were last year.
     
  13. ThunderStruck

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    The Rockets will probably have to look into the buy out market. The amount of money at the guard position is a problem, but Knight was traded for Ryan Anderson, so it's not like it would make a difference if that money was on a forward like him. Gordon is a guy that could be traded, but the Rockets would need to find a situation where he is traded for a guy that is more of a SG/SF or a SF/PF and at least somewhat similarly talented, so that's kind of hard to pull off.

    If the Rockets can get lucky in the buyout market, there could be guys like Anthony Tolliver and Robin Lopez, it the Rockets could get both, that would be solid depth. Depending on how one feels about Tolliver, he might be better to start at the 4, move Ennis to the bench and Tucker to the 3 at least until the Rockets can see if they can improve at SF. Rockets will likely have to stick with Knight and hope he can be partially useful because trading him doesn't seem like it is a situation where you can get good return (eg: Ryan Anderson). A possible option for someone like him is swapping him for a guy like George Hill, he's only guaranteed for $1 million next season, so Rockets would need to pay Cleveland to take salary next season, probably something like a pick. Something like this would be better at least until the Rockets can try to find better options.

    Chris Paul / George Hill
    James Harden / Eric Gordon
    PJ Tucker / James Ennis
    Anthony Tolliver
    Clint Capela / Robin Lopez

    That can at least hold the team over as they look for better options if any are available, but this assumes those teams will buy those guys out and they will want to go to the Rockets and that Cleveland would take on salary next season just for a draft pick. When it comes to trade, it seems like that has been discussed a good amount, but guys like Terrence Ross, Kent Bazemore, etc are the options. If the Rockets can bring in a guy like George Hill, then that makes a team more willing to try and convince Orlando to give them someone like Ross and whatever else makes sense. He is an inferior scorer career wise, but bigger and also a solid defender. Ross is an expiring, while Gordon has another season, so that is a factor for both sides too.

    Again, all hypothetical and a lot of assumptions, but then the Rockets can be moving more to something like

    Chris Paul / George Hill
    James Harden
    Terrence Ross / James Ennis
    PJ Tucker / Anthony Tolliver
    Clint Capela / Robin Lopez

    Is that a team that is as good or better than the team last season? Maybe, I don't know.
     
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  14. fattz

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    What happened was some growing pains that paid off. We need to play what we have and let them grow. We also need a younger player in the back court, too. Let the youth eat the minutes and earn the coach’s trust. => Hunger is contagious.

    We have 7 DNP that too is contagious. => Negotiate retirements is what needs to happen. That is part of what GMs do. That’s 1/2 the squad (crazy). Use 10 day contracts and find help. If the coach is not okay with that maybe it’s time for a change there, too. DM it’s time for you to start making things happen because they won’t with out you.

    “Psst your the GM not Paul & Harden” whispered your fat friend Fattz.
     
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  15. DatRocketFan

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    Too many players that's taking up space and can't contribute. Our team is getting older and no one wants to play with harden idk y.
     
  16. JayZ750

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    I don't think salary had much to do with Ariza.

    Don't get me wrong, he'd be here at a much smaller number, but I think there's a hindisght view now that had we just signed Ariza and Luc we'd be rolling just like last year.

    And, at most, we can say who knows? Because such a thought process completely ignores facts like (i) Ariza isn't that good anymore, (ii) Luc has been injured and isn't as good as he was pre injury last year, (iii) some of the rest of the NBA has "caught up"... (iv) in particular with more parity in the West, (v) the Rockets had CP3 and Harden injury/suspension issues in the first weeks, plus other people being out, (vi) Rockets might have started slow anyway, (viii) DM has been very active to the point where it maybe has f'd with EG's psyche a bit - so do we want him to be active in trade potential or not... (ix) and to that point... EG?!?!?!, (x) Melo was happening in any case, and that was and would have always been a disaster, etc, etc, etc.

    I've said this before and will say it again... it's not that he let Ariza and Luc "walk"... it's that he replaced them with Ennis and Melo and nobody.

    I'm a hardcore NBA fan... and I could barely have given you a decent scouting report on Ennis at any point last year.

    The roster holes are obvious, though with no clear obvious answers.
    - Small forward
    - Backup C and backup PF
    - Length and height generally
    - Better shooters
    - Better "athletes"
     
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    What evidence is there that this is the case?
    Who has claimed that Daryl works in a vacuum?

    This sounds like baseless BS to me.
     
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  18. finsraider

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    1) CP3 and Gordon will be better when Knight enters the rotation. Both are aging players with injury histories, and they are playing more minutes this year than they have in 3 years...that has a compounding effect. Get Knight back and we will have even better guard production than last year.

    2) PJ and Ennis will be fine as rotation 3&D forwards. Also, I love Gary Clark, but his proper role is as the defensive forward version of Gerald Green...not a regular rotation player right now. We need an upgrade here...preferably one that’s cheap.

    3) We need a quality backup center behind Capela.

    So the problem isn’t as dire as it may seem. We need more depth. The guard issue will fix itself internally, and a center shouldn’t be all that hard to come by. Adding another quality wing is where Morey will earn his paycheck.
     
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  19. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    the math is simple. we have 5 rotation worthy players: paul, harden, ego, tucker, clint. we need 3-4 more. i don't think we can find that many this season but we can probably land 2 more via trades which would be enough to at least compete.

    knight, nene, chriss, and picks can bring us 2 more rotation players before the deadline. most likely a SF and PF so we can have a 3 man forward rotation with tucker.

    we probably give gordon the rest of the season to get his game back before entertaining trading him over the summer. he's a perfect fit as the 3rd guard, and if he's willing to negotiate another team friendly contract then he's not worth trading. if he has a crappy season or negotiates a pricey contract he's gone this summer. either way i don't think he's trade bait for anything less than a 3rd star.
     
  20. dc rock

    dc rock Contributing Member

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    Feels like that one season (2007?) when the Rockets had like four players who could score with any consistency. I think there was even a playoff game where only four players scored. Obviously D'Antoni's system can create better scoring opportunities for even the scrubs, but just the lack of championship-level talent is painfully obvious.

    Edit: It was 2007. Rockets had a playoff game where they scored 67 points. McGrady and Yao combined for 50 of those points. Battier and Alston scored the rest. Dreadful.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200704260UTA.html
     

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