BBC Complains About Pentagon Lies

Yes, they took it, lost control, took it again, lost control again, and have finally taken control of that town. It's called battle.

It almost certainly was a chemical weapons factory, but had been cleaned out, closed up, and sanitized.

The claims of an uprising were true, and for days the media reported that the extent of the uprising was unknown. It was later found out that the uprising consisted of about 3,000 strong, and was crushed by Iraqi militants.

Curious, as at least 10 tanks were destroyed by air. And the convoy was around 100 vehicles, most of them trucks. It was dispatched.

And it now appears that this claim was true; Saddam sacked his Air Defense commander today because their SAMs kept falling back on the city and killing people. It turns out that the market explosion probably *was* an Iraqi missile.

All this deserves is a .

And what about the reporters from dozens of other nations who are embedded with US troops? Who give fairly regular accounts critical of the war effort? Are they propaganda tools, too?

 

You can't trust the initial media reports from either side. Both sides want to spin the story their way. They are both playing to their respective audiences, and the world.

The US and British military both prematurely claimed to have taken towns which they did not fully *pacify*. They did not make disclaimers saying, the battle is taking place right now. They said we have taken these cities and ports.

They prematurely announced they had taken a chemical weapons factory. They may yet find something. But these early blurbs are intended to sway opinion, no matter if they are true or not. It works the same way for the other side on those civilian deaths. Maybe it's Iraq AAA fire or missile gone awry. But they got the first word in to make people remember that first impression.

Of course, now that Blair is Bush's lapdog, you can't trust anything out of his mouth anymore :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,925176,00.html

3 or 10 or 120. 3 and 10 are closer than 10 and 120...

I don't think we'll know what happened until Mark Bowden writes the book version.

 

Perhaps the BBC should be complaining about the quality of the reporting coming from the reporters from dozens of networks in dozens of countries instead of what the Pentagon is telling us, because the reports are coming from what those reporters are seeing with their own friggen eyes?

Here's another one for you: . This is bogus.

FOX news is not the only network reporting from the field, you know.

 

I've never taken Journalism 101, but I imagine that these two points are taught in the class:

1. Things change.

2. Don't jump the gun.

I don't know how many times I've heard our reporters saying, "This hasn't been confirmed yet, but... I stress again, this hasn't been confirmed." If the BBC reports these same things as fact, they only have themselves to blame.

Also, the BBC may need to learn that once something has been reported, that doesn't everything is forevermore settled. They might want to stick around and see if circumstances change.

Just a thought.

 

I think this is a pretty fair take on the search for WMD so far.
They have 1400 sites to look at so this could take a while...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/892816.asp?0cv=CB10

 

Here's another thought:

The source for this article is the World Socialist Web Site. The author is a communist. Not just a "aw, she's an antiwar nut, damn communist", a real card-carrying Communist.

Couldn't help but think that's tainted her views a little.

 

Here is another Fine piece of work by Ms. Hyland:

Found at http://www.socialequality.org.uk/elect97/jhlet.htm

Amazing how often those on the left accidentally quote commies and I am dead serious. Your thought patterns follow those of the insecure people in history that favored socialism, communism, and marxism. Capitalism is the evolution of government. We have moved beyond simian communism into something more akin to neanderthal. We are not where we need to be but we're not slingin' turds and eatin' fleas. Catch up guys on the left. Your matted hair smells awful.

 

Treeman, you are so biased towards the US that it is almost sickening. You seem to think that the US is never wrong in any situation, ever.

 

I think this is a pretty fair take on the search for WMD so far.
They have 1400 sites to look at so this could take a while...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/892816.asp?0cv=CB10

More US duplicity. Seeing that the "Top 10" sites were clean, one has to openly question the quality of US intell. I would be very surprised if GWB is wondering the same thing.

 

And, being American, this is wrong of treeman because?????

 

Because everyone's country can be wrong sometimes.

 

Yeah why not be bias towards Iraq while they're testing out chemical weapons on their people and are killing their people and using them as human shields.

 

There is nothing wrong with being american. I root for this country like anybody else does. To defend the US in every single aspect of life is a little overboard. Every country makes mistakes. Nobody is perfect. Some people fail to make this connection and thus defend the US no matter what the situation. Thats all Im talking about. Behad, dont try that racial crap on me.

 

I wasnt talking about Iraq.

 

<b>I wasnt talking about Iraq.</b>

Yes you are. That article was talking about the war in Iraq, treeman was pointing out how that article was written by someone who couldn't be trusted, and you took him to task for being to pro-American. The entire point of this is the U.S.'s war against Iraq. It's easy to take the U.S. to task for a mistake they made when trying to dethrone a maniac that kills 10s of thousands of his own people every year. Nobody is perfect, but war isn't perfect. And that article definitely wasn't perfect.

 

I was referring to the fact that the US discloses information to its people that may not always be consistent with the actual facts. This is what BBC is talking about. Whatever you are talking about is definitely not what I was talking about. Nice try though. I applaud the effort.

 

If you replaced " American" with "German" you would have made an excellent character winess for the defense at Nuremberg. Or does moral and practical perfection cease at the American border?

"My country, right or worng", or "my country, always right", is one of the scariest and most dangerous mindsets in history, and something we are supposed to inherantly oppose...Read the words of any of the Founding Father, especially Jefferson. When others, like the Germans in the 40s advoacte this kind of thinking we call them fanatical.

 

Whenever I need no spin information I trust in Bill O'Reilly. I know he'll give me an unbiased and informed opinion based on information gathered from 100% accurate sources.


Anyways, if you really want to know what's going on then you need to contact your local Intelligence Agency and get the crypto access so you can patch into the Intellink. It's the internet for classified information that allows the various agencies and the military to share info. So far it's the only source I've ever read where you get straight facts that are unadulterated by political bias. It's just a shame that you need a top-secret clearance to read it. Almost makes me wish I was still active duty.