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A Revisit on the PPat trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocketrock, May 31, 2013.

  1. Rocketrock

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    Rocket received TRob, Garcia, Tyler Honeycutt,

    Rocket gave PPat, Toney Douglas, Cole Aldrich.

    What if Rocket hadn't done this deal?

    Plus: Rocket could have beat OKC with PPat and extra second round game could give the team money to use in future trade and better chance to land DW12. Rocket don't have to sign AB with Douglas as third PG.

    Minus: Rocket's don't have the chance to take a look at TRob.

    Since we would let PPat walk to clear cap, in order for Rocket to win in the PPat trade, they have to gain something to compensate: 1) second round appearance, 2) money paid to AB. Hopefully we can get a mid first round pick.

    Another thing to get out of this trade is Morey's obsession to ex-lottery pick. Trade for Jordan Hill, not work out
    Trade for Twill, not work out
    Trade for Flynn, not work out
    Trade for Tabeet, not work out
    Trade for TRob, likely not work out.

    His argument is that these are low risk, high upside trade. The problem is that other team has already took a look (all these players has played meaningful minutes) and decide to let them go. So there is actually no high upside here.

    Plus he has been really good at late round pick and second round but he hasn't done a good job at mid round pick himself as well. (PPat, Morris, etc.) The problem is again he is trying to outsmart other team to pick up a high upside player here. But at that position, it's really hard to do. The best value in that range is a valuable contributor. Hopefully now that we have Harden, he won't have the pressure to pick up a franchise player in that range.
     
  2. KingCheetah

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  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    OP you make a good point. Everyone on here doesn't dare question the Mauriiii
     
  4. arjun

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    I think Garcia played a bigger role in the playoffs than Patterson would've.

    and yeah..Morey has misfired on many ex lotto picks...but if one day it works out..its worth it.

    Also, besides the pick for TWill....we have only given away garbage for those ex lottos.
     
  5. gmoney411

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    I still think TRob has better value than PPatt. What we get in return for moving TRob will likely be better than what we would have got for PPat at the deadline last year.
     
  6. Asian Sensation

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    It doesn't work like that.

    If we didn't do that trade there would be no Beverley emergence. Without Beverley there's no Westbrook injury. We would've gotten swept.
     
  7. supa

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    We would still have lost to OKC with Patterson. Agree or disagree with the trade but the outcome would not have changed and we would be in similar spot trying to trade Patterson to free up cap space.
     
  8. AstroMechPLZ

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    There is very little chance Ppat + Douglas would have brought to us what Beverly + Garcia brought, even if you don't count the WB injury.
     
  9. Baseballa

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    Bingo.
     
  10. cdastros

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    Beverly injured Westbrook. If you don't make the trade, Douglas would have been the backup instead of Beverly.
     
  11. WNBA

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    With Patterson, we could beat Denver out.
     
  12. TheRealist137

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    WE WOULD HAVE PLAYED DENVER if we didn't trade Patterson. Did people forget that the rockets got weaker in the trade? We would not have been 8th seed!
     
  13. gmoney411

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    Or we might have played the Spurs and possibly got swept.
     
  14. thekad

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    We wouldn't have even made the playoffs if that trade didn't happen.
     
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    Had Toney Douglas stayed, we wouldn't've seen Patrick Beverley become the huge part of the team that he is today. He played when TD was around, but maybe 5-10 minutes a game.

    Had Cole Aldrich stayed, we wouldn't've seen the interesting potential that Terrence Jones had to offer.

    And we wouldn't've gotten Francisco Garcia, who was a huge reason as to why we beat OKC twice.
     
  16. Louka

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    thinking about today, not tomorrow? Do you believe we were a title-contender with patpat. gtfo

    Terrible thread is Tuurible
     
  17. JuanValdez

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    After carefully considering everyone's responses, I see the Patterson trade ultimately doesn't matter in the end. We might have been incrementally better or worse in the season, but wouldn't have won a championship regardless. And everyone that got shipped out in that trade would have been sent packing anyway for cap space.
     
  18. REEKO_HTOWN

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    T-Rob could be a better player than Patterson for all we know but the Howard is the player Morey wants since he's made himself available.

    T-Rob won't be traded because he isn't good. He'll be traded because Howard is coming. Patterson was already about to command more money in the open market and truthfully he didn't make us a championship contender.
     
  19. AvgJoe

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    We would have never given DMo or Jones the chance to show case their abilities. Greg Smith would be still backing up Asik
     
  20. jayhow92

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    It was a low risk move that didn't pan out with T-rob. Murray failed on this, but he's pretty damn quick in rectifying his mistakes. You gotta take risks like this for a rebuilding team if given the chance.
     
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