Hmm you have a point...except that it's the opposite of the truth. Basically in Shaq's last good season, he got traded to PHX at the deadline. After that year he sucked so you can't use those #'s as reference points. But in the year he got traded to PHX, Amare's stats spiked as soon as Shaq got there, he put up some MVP type numbers in fact. Lemme see if I can pull them up.
Signing Amare would be adding another big man we dont need. im sure patterson and scola will be impressive. we need to focus on getting another 7 footer in our arsenal.
Are you kidding me? Amare was a beast when Shaq was there. He was able to play his more natural position.
So, His RPG has gone down by 1 rebound total over the past 4 years? That's hardly a loss of explosiveness. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure what you're seeing is an extremely slight fluctuation in rebounding stats, not a decline. If you notice he averaged 7.9 per 36 min in 08'-09' and then it went back up to 9.3 in 09'-10'. And if you're going by true RPG average he averaged 9.1 in 07'-08', 8.1 in 08'-09', and then 8.9 in 09'-10'. There is no evidence of decline. Only parity and negligible fluctuation.
Did I say that's what we needed to win a championship? No, I was just pointing out that he's much, much, more explosive than Louis Scola.
Man, people talking about explosivness??? <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WW7yS-SdvjY&hl=pt_PT&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WW7yS-SdvjY&hl=pt_PT&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> I mean, did he lost some, after the surgery??? Yes But is he still a monster??? Yes It is like saying that LBJ, lost some explosiveness, after an imaginary injury, but these guys were physical beasts, so they still are above average in the league You can have other concerns about Amare, but the knee isn´t one of them, this deal was not done in last year trade deadline, because Houston, didn´t want Amare without seeing Amare´s knee, THEY KNOW IT CAN BE A PROBLEM, so don´t worry, they are aware of this. But in the last 4 seasons the least he played was 53 games, and coming out of a 82 regular season games, but no doubt, that the knee in the long run (6y) can be a problem The possibility of Scola being traded in a package, and whether or not the CBA allows it (which I don´t know if it does), but what people don´t understand is that Scola, is going to get overpaid, because some team will give a higher amount of money that a 30 PF deserves, just like what happened with Gortat, for example, and what was possible to happen to Varejao, that is why the Cavs re-signed him, to 9M a year, and that is probably the same amount of money he will get this off-season, I love Scola, but having a shot at Bosh or Amare??? you can´t even hesitate PeAcE
I'll post them. 2008 post All Star stats http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/splits/2008/ Code: Value G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST January 16 16 535 139 228 2 9 102 130 39 143 17 16 40 31 58 382 .610 .222 .785 33.4 23.9 8.9 1.1 [B]February11 11 421 111 198 2 6 98 110 24 115 17 5 26 20 41 322 .561 .333 .891 38.3 29.3 10.5 1.5 March 16 16 577 159 271 0 8 150 183 36 150 35 15 29 47 64 468 .587 .000 .820 36.1 29.3 9.4 2.2 April 8 8 267 76 122 0 0 54 65 13 59 16 6 8 17 24 206 .623 .831 33.4 25.8 7.4 2.0[/B] January is pre All Star. February on is post All Star with Shaq. He went from 23 points to almost 30 points a game in February and March. He also played more minutes, too. Probably cuz he was fresher not having to keep banging down low against bigger bodies.
Thanks for savin me the work. I went to ESPN to start looking through it but realized I would have do a game logs calculation to do a proper split of stats before/after the O'Neal trade. Long story short: Amare + a real C that attracts defensive attention (aka NOT Robin Lopez) = Bad news for opponents in the paint. Or worse news if Amare alone wasn't bad enough.
Totally dig what was said by a previous poster that amare is the polar opposite of bosh. Do not want Amare, dude is just as arrogant, ignorant, and selfish as it gets. Bosh on the other hand has such an adoring personality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE
Amar'e was putting up bigger numbers but it doesn't always mean that it sill guarantee a better team. Amar'e was probably a beast for like half a season with D'Antoni at the helm and he knew how to incorporate Shaq to fit Amar'e's game, not vice versa. He was putting numbers at a lower effieciency rate with Shaq there in both seasons I believe. Injuries and coach at that time (Porter I think?) wasn't the best so that could be put into account too. I just think that with a big Center like Yao would require a team with perimeter shooters or players don't really on the low post presence to get around. Finally, without Nash running the point and making others around him better, I don't really think Amar'e would be a topic of discussion. Bottom line is, I don't think Amar'e is the right player for our system. I would rather see Bosh here to help spread out the floor whenever Yao gets 2x-teamed in the low post. Longest posts yet but hey, I love debates!
Amare is going to ask for max money and there is no way in hell Morey is going to give him that. So Amare is not playing in Houston. End of discussion
Thanks for putting your authoritative foot down. For a minute there I was lost and was hoping someone with inside information would give us the cold hard facts and you came to my rescue
I would be thrilled for the Rox to get Amare, and yes, I would pay him a max contract. That's what it will take.
That's fine with me, because we're going to have a new CBA, after next season, and I think you have to be absolutely sure a player is worth a 100+ million dollars before signing them to one of the last mega contracts in NBA history. .
not the biggest Amare fan but he would be a good backup plan if Bosh doesnt come.. hopefully playin in our culture would motivate him on defense and rebounding
