Will Military members and families vote for Trump?

Damn Ray...

Knew I liked you for a reason...

T_Man

 

The ironic part of that statement is that Trump does that exact thing when people disagree with him. He is the King of insults. Does that make him an emotionally fragile lefty?

 

Can you expand on what you think would happen if florida and texas do what you are saying?

I know it is speculation interested to hear what you think overall. You mention 12th amendment.

I read somewhere ( probably wrong) if went past january that speaker of house becomes president.

Curious to hear your doomsday scenario.

Surely we wouldn't just allow trump to continue? Lol

Im dreading this entire election situation and trump ouster will be an eviction party like we have never seen.

 

Okay so here's the part of the 12th amendment I'm referring to:

So what happens here is you would probably need two big electoral states like Texas and Florida to NOT certify their votes. Say that there are irregularities, etc. and they cannot certify their elections. Then the 12th amendment has this secondary selection process where the House then votes on the president with only ONE VOTE per state (Republicans have the majority if one vote per state).

Bam Trump is re-elected.

And yes... this has happened before so there is precedent.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/presidential-election-goes-to-the-house


The big question is what needs to happen to invoke the 12th amendment. Is Nancy Pelosi needed to bring a vote in the House to invoke the 12th? In the case of 1824, Congress looks like they agreed to vote and so there was no disagreement to invoke the 12th. Surely Pelosi and the Dems would see that this is a scam to put Trump back in power, but what power do they have if Texas and Florida refuse to certify their election, and The Supreme Court weighs in that the Constitution states they must vote via the House.

And if Pelosi refuses to go along, there's another kicker... The MITCH MCCONNELL CONTROLLED SENATE then has constitution mandate to do the following:

So the Senate has power in the end to force Pelosi to gamble on a vote in the House or Pence becomes president in March according to the Constitution.

If anyone reads that different, be my guest to correct me and point to where I'm misreading the Constitution.

 

Former Navy, served on Submarines for 9 years, now currently a airline pilot. No Trump for me. I’ve always considered myself as a moderate who have voted for both Republicans and Democrats in the past. I was open minded to Trump until I saw his divisive tactics for elections just turned me off, it didn’t help to watch how it conducted himself in the office. His of ability to lead and bring the country together doesn’t help his case insteads he has doubled down on the divisiveness. Yeah no.

The thing that really irks me though really isn’t trump, but it’s Republicans like Mitch, LG, and Cruz (Trump talked **** about the mans family and now this dude is Kissing Trumps ass, what does that say about this man) who taken the Party over country approach to all of this.

Nope to Trump.

 

THIS!!!!!

T_Man

 

I wonder if the rank and file military personnel who saw spending diverted from schools and other necessary spending to build trump's vanity wall will also reject trump?

 

What does it say about Cruz? That he's exactly the slimeball scummy piece of s*** we already knew he was. Anyone who's surprised by his 180 on trumpybear hasn't been paying attention to who Cruz is.

 

lol. first of all, i was highly critical of mccain the politician. second, i never voted for obama and i was a frequent critic of his on this message board.

i didnt even bother reading the rest of your rant b/c you got two things wrong in your first two sentences.

its very telling that you think me saying its wrong to insult a POW means i am deifying them.

 

This annoys me as well -- Cruz is definitely the worst all these 'alpha male' leaders absolutely on their knees terrified of standing up for themselves, family, friends. It's insane all these powerful people are so absolutely spineless when a bloated comic book character attacks them -- better walk on eggshells or you might feel Trump's wraith and receive a mean nickname. At least walk over and yank his tie or smack him backstage. Props to Romney for not acting like a b****.

 

Pelosi wont agree so that will be curious how that plays.
It sounds like in this scenario he gets 4 more and then goes for term limit loosening.

 

This sort of relates to my post above which is that we might be worrying about the military while overlooking the real threat which is Mitch McConnell's Senate, and the one thing you didn't note is the Judiciary. People like Ted Cruz only really care about maintaining their power, and if you have people like this and McConnell who have the power to maintain their power by manipulating our laws and constitution to not only keep Trump in power, but give him more power....

USA you have a F-ing problem.

The military leaders through the grunts on the ground will have very little choices on the matter if the Supreme Court sends an order to military leaders, and the Senate holds the votes needed to legitimize a dictatorship.

 

Two things happen if the Republicans pull this off.

Either Pelosi folds and holds the vote hoping Republicans in the House do the right thing (haha), or we go the Russia/Putin route where Putin had to serve as the shadow president for a term until the laws could be rewritten to put him back in power. If Pelosi refused to hold a vote, the Senate holds the power to put Pence in office for 4 years, and Pence and the Senate could make Trump VP, or hire him chief of staff or something where he basically runs the government.

I think if Texas and Florida (or other states in collusion with the Republicans) do this, there will be a fire storm with people on the streets, or at least one would hope. I believe there will be some pressure on Pelosi on both sides to use her power to resolve. I think what you'll see her and the Dems try and do is to put a public messaging strategy into place by getting on the media to try and put pressure on Republicans in the House to guarantee a vote for Joe Biden as the legitimate winner of the election. I think they'd need about 10 Republicans to join the Democrats to vote for Biden.

Good luck with that Pelosi. I have almost no faith in Dan Patrick, Gregg Abbott, DeSantis, Kemp, etc. who have the power to make this sh$t show happen to try and steal the election.

 

Sounds like a position of strength. You want in? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?

 

You’ve got reading comprehension dude, I agree with you that it was weak sauce from Trump to insult McCain like that, it’s a bush league move, he should not have done it and I was not happy with it. The part I said about McCain is correct, he is not above criticism and especially when you have other POWs coming out to confirm his behaviors were less than honorable when they were with Songbird. You see the difference between the two now?
You criticized Obama like the way the fake news lobbing softball questions at him during their daily love fest pressers? Sure, whatever you say. You don’t have to defend yourself, everybody who was here when Obama reigned, knew who were criticizing Obama. Those posters including myself caught hell, the most and predictable name thrown at us were racist. Yeah, we questioned his backgrounds because we’re racists? How about because he’s spent millions sealing his records and nobody till this day really knows a damn thing about that guy.

 

Lol, don’t forget the ChiCom part too. The Donald is the only one that can take down that smelly WinnieTheFlu.
Here’s some good read on “ Songbird Hanoi Hilton”. If y’all need to praise a hero, the right admiral to praise is James Stockdale, now that is an American hero in my book.
https://arizonadailyindependent.com...indicated-by-hanoi-hilton-songbird-audio/amp/

 

That's nice. Even if you consider it a lie it's one thing.

Trump has lied more than Obama.

Here is Trump's scorecard on Politifact


Obama's


So Trump lied 69% of the time. Obama 23.

And Trump having so many pants on fire lies, which even if you think Politifact is some liberal propaganda source (it isn't) Pants on Fire lies can't even be debated and Trump just basically throws them out there like candy.

His last one is him claiming that he gave Mattis his nickname btw. Why does he even say things like this that are easily checked?