Will Military members and families vote for Trump?

Funny but I heard the same things that was said about Obama from my military friends active and inactive duty. They love Trump now for what he’s doing for the active folks as well as for the vets compared to when Obama was president. Lots of my friends hated Obama and think he has nothing but disdained for the military.

 

im not trying to be snarky or rude here...im sincerely interested in your opinion as a vet.

were you bothered at all by trump saying mccain was not a war hero b/c he was captured? or when he publicly insulted a gold star mother?

what is your opinion of those two incidents? you have trump, who got like six draft deferments in vietnam insulting the service of someone who did go and then attacking the mother of a dead marine, who simply pointed out that they were immigrants and muslims and their son died fighting for our country. they did that in response to trump calling for a ban on muslims entering the united states and his constant insults of muslims. again, all they did was point out that muslims fight and die for our country too and trump chose to insult the woman.

are you good with that?

also, since you brought up obama, i dont remember him claiming "i know more than the generals", insulting POWs and gold star mothers and announcing military policy via tweet. i also dont remember him fighting with his sec of defense or other high ranking military members like trump constantly does.

 

He could definitely handled those two incidents better in my opinion. I have no love lost for McCain because I think he was starting to lose it and does not know which side of the aisle he stood. What Trump said about McCain was uncalled for and I was not happy with it. The second incident, I’m not so sure, it’s one of those he said, she said so it could go either ways, but one thing I know for sure is that his enemies are always there ready to pounce on him for every word that he uttered. I’ve stated in my earlier post that Trump is rough, crass and unrefined, but sometimes it takes a man like that for this difficult job. Do I want him to be a little more refined than what he is now? Sure, but if he were slick and refined, he’ll be just like another Obama or Clinton and if you asked me for my opinion, I don’t think we need another slick politician to give us some more lip service.

 

I’m not upset dude. I’m used to crap like this all the time here. I just don’t care anymore. To me it seems like we’ll learn a lot more if have a different perspective, different view of things than just the same old, everybody is on the same side. I’m cool with whatever opinion you have and I will never insult you for having one. As far as Trump, he’s still has some hills to climb, he’s not done yet. I will let you know when I see he’s starting to fukk up. For now, he’s trying to ward off his enemies and they’re vicious out there.

 

When high ranking military men that are Republicans are throwing out claims of the President lacking leadership and violating the constitution.... that is a SERIOUS problem.
Four Star Generals or Joint Chiefs of staff
Mattis
Powell
Hayden
Kelly
Mullen
Myers

All of these men are Republican and all have blasted Trump. Indeed those that blasted the President the hardest have worked with Trump.

 

Generals have always been different than foot soldiers. The main bulk of the armed forces are diehard Trump folks. I doubt their allegiance will change much no matter what anyone says about Trump. They hate dems and love the Republican whom they are suppose to love and will find whatever they need to rationalize it.

I remember the story of being in an uber with a guy who told me this story how the military didn't like Obama because he never cared to talk to the soldiers that served him but Bush did. I asked him, how did he actually know that?

He struggled to answer.

 

why even say this? sounds like youre trying to offer some kind of justification for trump insulting a POW. thats pretty weak dude. much like ghw bush, i dont like politician mccain, but i have nothing but respect for his military service. there is no place in decent society for saying a POW is not a war hero b/c he was captured and anyone who says that is totally unfit for public office of any kind.

no it cant. what "he said she said" is there excatly? there is no middle ground when you publicly insult the mother of a slain marine.

stop being a snowflake dude. if the president acts like a jackass or says stupid stuff he should be called out for it. he works for us. we have a right to call him out. especially when he insults POWs are gold star mothers.

yall act like trump is the victim when he is the one who goes around fighting with everyone, insulting everyone and acting like a total piece of garbage. he himself has said that he likes conflict and he likes having people fighting. as a vet you of all people should understand that that is very poor traits for a leader.

at some point the trump cult members need to ask themselves if its all these other people who are in the wrong or if its trump. when you have one person (trump) who constantly fights with everyone then you need to realize that he is the problem.

thats so silly. he is a 75 year old man who acts like a child and constantly fights with everyone. its not about being a "slick politician". its about being a good leader and a decent human being which trump clearly is not. the way he acts is indefensible and anyone who is not a full-on cult member knows it.

 

Honestly man, Trump has lied more than any other living president. Easy. He lies more than any active politician.

All he does is give lip service.

I think he's a slicker politician than you give him credit for. After all, he's able to say and do things that would completely end most politicians.

I mean this guy holding up a Bible as a prop, couldn't name you three commandments, and can't even give you a single quote from the thing. Anytime he talks about being a Christian its complete lip service.

 

The Mattis affect will be the most telling. Keep watching there.

If you know any Marines, you know that this guy is the one guy Marines look up to more than anyone in American military history, and he’s still alive unlike Patton etc. This guy is a god or at least was to them.

So if Mattis rebuking Trump does nothing to the military support than nothing will but I think much of the support that was soft has already been lost but folks in the military still look up to their chain of command and trust them with their lives. There’s a bond they have with their CO’s that they have the ultimate trust that their cause will be righteous.

So what will happen when Trump calls on the military to be his own personal police force and calls them to the white house to surround the place to keep Biden’s team from taking over the government? Will the generals fold and go with Trump and his cou? Will then the military folks who trusted their CO’s start to defect and refuse orders and turn on their CO’s??

I really don’t know but Trump is going to go to Esper who will go to Generals and down the line and command them to do some bad sh$t in the coming months. This is going to happen and everyone knows it.

I personally think the military will obey the courts in the end regardless if it’s a cou or not. The courts are where Trump will get what he wants when he inevitably goes there in not leaving the presidency if defeated by Biden.

Mattis, knowing how much he is looked up to with both sides, speaking out is a pretty big red flag. I think at least Marines see this and see it as a warning that some orders are coming down the line in coming months that are going to potentially change our country overnight into a dictatorship if the courts and Republicans sanction it which I believe they will through the 12th amendment with the help of Texas and Florida not certifying the elections and forcing the 12th amendment to be invoked which will lead to Trump staying in power if he loses the election.

The Mattis rebuke is a big one but it’s mostly a warning sign to marines and the commanding officers that where we are going is going to fundamentally change who we are as a Democracy so get ready. What I don’t think Mattis is thinking about though is the creativity of the courts and Republicans to legitimize what Trump will be ordering them to do. In that case I think even Mattis will say to follow the law even if I destroys democracy but it will be a day that we will never forget when democracy dies in broad daylight.

 

If you want to see Trumps skill as a political leader go rewatch the video with Trump talking to Tillman Fertitta. What is happening there is Tillman is basically kissing Trumps ass to get federal dollars to keep himself rich and Trump saying back to him you want that for me, you gotta be on Team Trump when I call on you. He’s doing this with practically all billionaires at the moment (see Zuckerberg) and those he can’t reach, he’s creating conspiracy theories about or just ravaging them on twitter to try and send a message to other Tillman’s down the line that they better suck his you know what.


He’s a manipulator and he’s good at it and really enjoys it. He’s going to the business community out there in the open and saying that I’m your guy because I’m the only option you have to keep your money. Trump is not Hitler in many ways, but in a historical context this is very similar to what Hitler did to get the support of the business owners in Germany after WW1 when Germany had a very strong Left Socialist/Communist party going into an election and Hitler co opted the business community to prop him up to lead with a strongman approach to destroy the left, and it worked for a short time. He got the consolidation on the right, and the Nazi party was able to crack backs to get everyone back to work for the state and the oligarchs in Germany. The rest is history but this was the one thing that gave Hitler power and is something Trump is doing in the open for Oligarch support.

Trump is doing the exact same thing in modern times with our modern day oligarchs in the business world. That’s one skill I think we should take seriously.

 

Y’all acted like McCain is somekind of deities or something. When he ran against your Messiah, you guy roasted him alive. I’d already said, when Trump made that comment, it was weak sauce and I was not happy with it. McCain was not the first guy who went to VN and became a POW. In fact. He has less than a stellar records being a prisoner according to other POWs who were there. Even though I wish Trump did not say that about McCain, McCain is not above criticism and not a true hero like you seemed to think. He doesn’t have the knickname Songbird for nothing.
You must have been right there when Trump had that phone conversation with the mother? If you claimed you heard every word than we know you’re full of it. Trump has been dealing with slanted reporting like this since day one when he took office.
Trump has nobody to rely on except himself. He does not have the luxury of having the whole MSM in his back pocket like Obama. Obama was the ultimate thin skinned snowflake, if he had to endure 10 percent of what Trump does on a regular basis, he would have evaporated. If you want to compare cult members, Obama flower children are ten times worse than any Trump supporters. We take your bullshiet abuse and lies about Trump in strides and never fought back. On the other hand, I still remember, you say something mildly negative about Obama, his children will go after you, not only they will destroy you, but also your family, your career, anything you’ve ever held sacred. You thought I have forgotten the 8 years of nightmares under your Messiah? You have no idea how lucky you are to have Mr Trump in your life? You will have no choice but to love him the next 4 years if you want to be cured of your TDS.

 

After 8 years of “ if you liked your doctors and you liked your plan, you can keep it”, we know who is the worst liar don’t we?

 

You forgot Jared.

 

As in Kushner? That guy is a snake and Trump needs to get rid of him.

 

Yep...Obama said that on numerous occasions.

Once folks started getting canceled after Obamacare was instituted, he said this:

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me,"

When was the last time Trump apologized? (and I am quite sure Trump has had the opportunity to admit he was wrong many, many more times).

 

Air Force

 

Ivanka and Jared are the brains behind this administration -- a proud Jewish family doing their best to keep the country running smoothly.

 

From late last year, before all the problems this year. There is a vocal minority in the military that skews Republican, however, most of the enlisted forces are not Republican or Trump supporters:

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ppy-with-trump-new-military-times-poll-shows/

Half of active-duty service members are unhappy with Trump, new Military Times poll shows