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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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    btw, no Q&A...
     
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    Republican Representative Justin Amash of Michigan showing intelligence and integrity.

    https://threader.app/thread/1133410107461689345

    Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of Mueller’s report and decisions in the investigation, which has helped further the president’s false narrative about the investigation.

    After receiving Mueller’s report, Barr wrote and released a letter on March 24 describing Barr’s own decision not to indict the president for obstruction of justice. That letter selectively quotes and summarizes points in Mueller’s report in misleading ways.

    Mueller’s report says he chose not to decide whether Trump broke the law because there’s an official DoJ opinion that indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional, and because of concerns about impacting the president’s ability to govern and pre-empting possible impeachment.

    Barr’s letter doesn’t mention those issues when explaining why Mueller chose not to make a prosecutorial decision. He instead selectively quotes Mueller in a way that makes it sound—falsely—as if Mueller’s decision stemmed from legal/factual issues specific to Trump’s actions.

    But, in fact, Mueller finds considerable evidence that several of Trump’s actions detailed in the report meet the elements of obstruction, and Mueller’s constitutional and prudential issues with indicting a sitting president would preclude indictment regardless of what he found.

    In noting why Barr thought the president’s intent in impeding the investigation was insufficient to establish obstruction, Barr selectively quotes Mueller to make it sound as if his analysis was much closer to Barr’s analysis than it actually was:

    Barr quotes Mueller saying the evidence didn’t establish that Trump was personally involved in crimes related to Russian election interference, and Barr then claims that Mueller found that fact relevant to whether the president had the intent to obstruct justice.

    But Mueller’s quote is taken from a section in which he describes other improper motives Trump could have had and notes: “The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong.” None of that is in Barr’s letter.

    As a result of Barr’s March 24 letter, the public and Congress were misled. Mueller himself notes this in a March 27 letter to Barr, saying that Barr’s letter “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions.”

    Mueller: “There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

    To “alleviate the misunderstandings that have arisen,” Mueller urged the release of the report’s introductions and executive summaries, which he had told Barr “accurately summarize [Mueller’s] Office’s work and conclusions.”

    Barr declined; he allowed the confusion to fester and only released the materials three weeks later with the full redacted report. In the interim, Barr testified before a House committee and was misleading about his knowledge of Mueller’s concerns:

    Barr was asked about reports “that members of [Mueller’s] team are frustrated…with the limited information included in your March 24th letter, that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?”

    Barr absurdly replied: “No, I don’t…I suspect that they probably wanted more put out.” Yet Mueller had directly raised those concerns to Barr, and Barr says he “suspect” they “probably” wanted more materials put out, as if Mueller hadn’t directly told him that.

    In subsequent statements and testimony, Barr used further misrepresentations to help build the president’s false narrative that the investigation was unjustified.

    Barr notes that Mueller did not “find any conspiracy to violate U.S. law involving Russia-linked persons and any persons associated with the Trump campaign.” He then declares that Mueller found “no collusion” and implies falsely that the investigation was baseless.

    But whether there’s enough evidence for a conviction of a specific crime which Mueller thought was appropriate to charge is a different and much higher standard than whether the people whom Mueller investigated had done anything worthy of investigation.

    In truth, Mueller’s report describes concerning contacts between members of Trump’s campaign and people in or connected to the Russian government.

    For instance, Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Russian lawyer whom Trump Jr. had been told worked for the Russian government and would provide documents to “incriminate Hillary,” as part of the Russian government’s “support for Mr. Trump.”

    It’s wrong to suggest that the fact that Mueller did not choose to indict anyone for this means there wasn’t a basis to investigate whether it amounted to a crime or “collusion,” or whether it was in fact part of Russia’s efforts to help Trump’s candidacy.

    Barr says the White House “fully cooperated” with the investigation and that Mueller “never sought” or “pushed” to get more from the president, but the report says Mueller unsuccessfully sought an interview with the president for over a year.

    The report says the president’s counsel was told that interviewing him was “vital” to Mueller’s investigation and that it would be in the interest of the public and the presidency. Still Trump refused.

    The president instead gave written answers to questions submitted by the special counsel. Those answers are often incomplete or unresponsive. Mueller found them “inadequate” and again sought to interview the president.

    Ultimately, the special counsel “recogniz[ed] that the President would not be interviewed voluntarily” and chose not to subpoena him because of concerns that the resulting “potentially lengthy constitutional litigation” would delay completion of the investigation.

    Barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president’s false narrative to the American people. This will continue if those who have read the report do not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth.
     
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    I have no idea why those lines through the text appear.
     
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    Doubtful. the wh was briefed on this last night. trump hasn't tweeted on Mueller, the investigation, or anything else so its doubtful Mueller will say anything significant about trump (either way).

    Until appears before congress and answers questions about the investigation and his report we will likely not know much more.
     
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    Sad.

    So we'll hear what the special counsel will have to say in about an hour.
     
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    Michael Smerconish's guess is that Mueller will announce he is stepping down as special counsel. Makes sense, since whatever Mueller says will have been reviewed and approved by the doj.
     
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    Don't deflate my balloon like that, but Smerconish could be right.

    Unless he tries to sneak in a, "I don't know how my report got so twisted around, but who knew there was someone out there so pliable that this President could appoint to Personal Lawy---er, Attorney General?"
     
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    I don't know why we'd need a public statement on that. That'd be weird and a waste of everyone's time. But, I also don't expect him to do anything out-of-bounds as far as the DOJ and AG Barr are concerned. He didn't do everything by the book all this time just to crap on the rules at the end.
     
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    was the WH briefed on what he is going to say? I thought they only know he is making a statement.
    I am not sure what the point of this statement is. Curious !!
     
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    That would be disappointing, if it's all he says. It would be nice to see some independence from Mueller for once.

    If he's leaving his post, he could just publish a letter.
     
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    :eek: Deep state!
     
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    Right?!?! Unless Mueller is like Rosenstein.....duck his head and slink out the side door.

    Because if Mueller just pulls a Porky Pig ("A-deeb-a-deeb-a, That's All, Folks!")....?
     
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    I believe the reporting was that they were briefed that he would make a statement, not on the content. It was also reported that the House committee was also. Impossible to know whether barr was told the content, or if he told the wh.
     
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    what? no official live game thread? guys are slipping
     
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    He is clearly saying he did not make a conclusion on obstruction because sitting president cannot be indicted ( I am paraphrasing).
    Some of the posters here contradicted this but here he is saying it

    Btw, he said he is not going to speak on this anymore. The words of report are chosen extremely carefully and he will not comment anymore . It is responsibility of justice department and congress
     

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