1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

if Hardeb showed up W

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ClearLakeTX, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,804
    Likes Received:
    36,710
    Yup. Kawhi scores in so many ways. I used to think it was silly when non Rocket fans would rank Kawhi over Harden but this post season is the final straw. Players like Kawhi consistently show up in the playoffs while Harden is an epic brick layer spamming the same exact move over and over and over. We ain't ever going to win a ring with this type of Harden. He needs to over the off-season learn how to score in other ways either through post ups or a genuine mid range game.
     
    LosPollosHermanos likes this.
  2. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Houston only fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    28,685
    Likes Received:
    12,621
    Staunch harden guy, like big harden-Stan but fchowd is making some points although harsh
     
    Supamanu and fchowd0311 like this.
  3. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,804
    Likes Received:
    36,710
    When you watch Harden highlights from his first two seasons here, it's crazy how much more varied his game was and how many ways he would score. He would have a fast euro euro step move every game. Where have those moves gone? Moreyball mentality has really ****ed with Harden head imo.

    Defenses can predict everything Harden does now.
     
    sotelo1111 and Supamanu like this.
  4. LosPollosHermanos

    LosPollosHermanos Houston only fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    28,685
    Likes Received:
    12,621
    We’ve turned him into a poor Kyle Korver in some ways. Can’t just pull up for 3
     
  5. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    20,386
    Likes Received:
    16,554
    Meh I'm not even sure that's true. He played like **** against OKC and Portland the first two playoffs.
     
  6. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,804
    Likes Received:
    36,710
    One of the biggest changes is Harden's game now compared to early in his Rocket's career is that he was far more willing to make a quick move as soon as he got the ball before. He wouldn't wait for the defense to settle every time. Now, he just does his slow walk and always let's the defense key on to him.
     
  7. Wylo

    Wylo Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    874
    Likes Received:
    1,032
    Kawhi genuinely reminds me of Jordan or Kobe with his diverse offensive moves.. it's crazy how much he's improved on the offensive end and is super efficient while taking tons of midrange shots
     
  8. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    20,386
    Likes Received:
    16,554
    That's because those shots are not inefficient. They aren't really mid range shots either. Kawhi is so damn good at dribbling into areas where the shot is so close to the hoop it's basically a modified post up.

    He's essentially shooting jump shots where Yao used to hit them at a superb clip
     
    Wylo likes this.
  9. rocketseagles07

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,941
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    Death, taxes, and bigmaloe claiming you aren’t a rockets/harden fan if you’re critical of him
     
    Supamanu likes this.
  10. rocketman84

    rocketman84 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2003
    Messages:
    4,565
    Likes Received:
    2,524
    Yea, don’t rely on the refs who are in charge of making the game fair. Don’t rely on them.
     
  11. sholaemmanuel

    sholaemmanuel Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2018
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    119
    I can't but wonder if most of the posters in this forum understand what bad officiating does to a player. Any player of Harden's elk will know that when officiating crew supplant the game by bad officiating or non-calls skewed against one team, the damage to the team is immense. To blame Harden for inefficiency under the circumstance is ludicrous. Is one thing to block out the non-calls by the referees, but it's another thing for Harden or even Chris Paul to constantly think that someone my get under him when he rises up to shoot. That thought alone mess up the rhythm. When shooting the basketball is no longer intuitive, the shot will constantly be bad; and that's what happen to Harden and or Chris Paul today. I wouldn't blame ours boys today for the lose because it's not easy, if not outright improbable for five to win against eight plus Adam Silver. Rockets fans just need to brace themselves for the atrocity of the league and bad officiating against the Rockets throughout the series. I wouldn't be surprise if the worst is yet to come. That's NBA and golden boys folks.
     
  12. DrNuegebauer

    DrNuegebauer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2000
    Messages:
    11,919
    Likes Received:
    8,504
    He got fouled four times on 3 pointers, that's 12 more free throws. Assuming he makes just 5 from 12 of them, we win.

    If Durant had shot 7-25 from the field, because he got mugged and a no-call 4 times, would you be saying he 'didn't show up'?

    Give Harden the right call on those (and the Klay early foul drive), and he is 9-22 from the field, and scores 45 (plus Klay is fouled out by halftime!! lol)
     
    don grahamleone, Stormy1234 and Tfor3 like this.
  13. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,804
    Likes Received:
    36,710
    Other great players wouldn't spam the same inefficient (in the playoffs it has been inefficient) shot on the exact same move over and over relying on a subjective call by a third party arbiter. Other greats would find out ways to flat out put balls in buckets. Harden is too reliant on the refs to call the fouls he deserves. There are plenty of all time greats who find ways to score efficiently when the refs aren't blowing the whistle. Harden ain't one of them and it is the reason why he massively drops in efficiency.eveey single playoffs from the regular season.
     
    sholaemmanuel and Supamanu like this.
  14. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,804
    Likes Received:
    36,710
    Durant barely ever has those type of shooting games. Harden has PLENTY of these shooting games for 7 years now with Rockets in the playoffs.
     
    Supamanu likes this.
  15. BigMaloe

    BigMaloe Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2012
    Messages:
    13,849
    Likes Received:
    15,108
    You can be critical.

    Harden "not showing up" is not why we lost.

    We lost because we gave up 3 tech's in a close game, we couldnt rebound late, and refs screwed us for about 10 ft oppurtunitys.

    Harden showed up with very good defense, facilitation but couldn't knock down his shots from 3 because he couldn't land.
     
  16. jordnnnn

    jordnnnn Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    11,027
    Likes Received:
    12,017
    Durant career playoff TS% .596
    Harden .577

    That’s a difference but that’s not a chasm.

    You overly highlight the bad without recognizing the good games he’s had. Which easily outnumber the bad.

    Also the precipitous rise in Durant’s playoff efficiency coincides joining a ready made super team where defenses can’t key in on him.
     
  17. J Sizzle

    J Sizzle Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2012
    Messages:
    43,500
    Likes Received:
    29,549
    I won’t lie, I’m defending Harden less this postseason. He does need to play a lot better.

    I won’t just write off the obvious 12-15 more free throws he should have gotten, though. It’s nuanced. It can be both. He needs to be better but he also can’t be expected to overcome blatantly rigged officiating.
     
    Tfor3 likes this.
  18. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,804
    Likes Received:
    36,710
    Compare those ts% to league averages with respective years. Durant played a lot of playoff games with high usage in eras that were no where near 3 pt reliant as current seasons. The gulf is large. Durant delivers in the playoffs.
     
  19. Aruba77

    Aruba77 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 1999
    Messages:
    13,623
    Likes Received:
    14,671
    I got beat up in the BBS last year for suggesting that we lost the WC Finals because Harden didn’t show up.

    I still feel like it was a fair criticism. There’s a noticeable drop off in play between Harden’s regular season hero ball and how he performs in the playoffs.

    All that said, I’m so freaking angry about the way the refs officiated this game. I can stand losing but I can’t stand getting screwed by the refs. Wtf was that bullsh#t?
     
  20. jordnnnn

    jordnnnn Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    11,027
    Likes Received:
    12,017
    Do wut?

    They have both played in the playoffs the exact same years.

    The majority of the actual played games difference is during his recent years in GS.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now