http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,797572,00.html I've been yelling at the top of my lungs about Germany for years. This is not the kind of behavior befitting of an educated developed democratic nation. The average German deserves better. This is what happens when people like Thilo Sarrazin add flames to the fire. These neo-nazis know how to read laws. I read about them. Essentially, the people who push the limits of these kinds of laws will push the limits of these kinds of laws regardless of how strict or loose they are set. They will never come out and make clear hate speech, they know it is illegal and they will get arrested. Classic case of "give them an inch, they take a mile. Give them some rope, motherf****** wanna be cowboys." (Eddie Murphy, Delirious). What's up with calling them neo-nazis? These are nazi terrorists. Going by the standards of some, we should install a puppet government in Germany and take away the entire country's right to self-determination. Certainly, there are just as many neo nazis in Germany as there are Islamist extremists in Yemen. Personally I think they should just target the criminals for the crimes, regardless of race or nationality or immigration status. But it's high time German government acknowledged that these people play a key role in disrupting multiculturalism. If you are watching these developments in Europe, you would also know that these terrorist groups are now collaborating across countries in Europe, as was the case with the Oslo terrorist.
Thilo Sarrazin has absolutely nothing to do with this. What the hell does that have to do with anything? These two murderers were murderers. Who cares or knows whether they read laws or not. Unfortunately, these guys, even though they were already sought by the police, did come out and go to public demonstrations and disseminated their hate speech. There is currently a discussion going on in Germany's society how this could be possible (failure by the police). That has nothing to do with anything. These two guys who killed people (and the people who aided and abetted them) were certainly nazi terrorists. But not sure what you are getting at, neo-nazism is the despicable ideology and what makes them terrorists is the systematic violence and killing they pursued. You are a complete moron. Nobody disagrees; of course criminals should be targeted for their crimes. And neo-nazi murderers are on the same "lowest of the low" level as Islamist murderers. The issue here is two-fold: Apparently, the police has been doing a very poor job in hunting these specific criminals (and prematurely ruled out racist/xenophobic motives in this killing spree) and, secondly and even more shockingly, there might have been some kind of involvement of individual German secret service agents. Personally, I doubt that these two murderers killed themselves. It smells like some fishy kind of cover-up. There is suspicion that a certain secret service agent was present at at least one of the "Doener murders". The problem here lies in the strategy the German law enforcement and secret service agencies have been employing to fight the Neo-Nazis: They planted people in Neo-Nazi organizations and recruited people from within those organizations to provide reports of what is going on within the group, but, similarly to situations in Afghanistan/Pakistan with Islamists, in the end you don't know where the loyalty of the informant actually lies. Worst case, you end up paying someone who really just feeds you with misinformation, takes your money, laughs at you and uses that money to pursue the exact cause the state is trying to fight. Multiculturalism is not necessarily a cause that is to be defended. The main issue here is that the murderers...murder people. And that Neo-Nazis spread violent hate and need to be fought, just like Islamists. Yes, that is a worrying trend, and law enforcement agencies across Europe need to tackle this threat and work better together to fight these types of collaboration. Any kind of extremist hate ideology needs to be fought, be it Neo-Nazism, leftist terrorism, or Islamism.
The whole thing is becoming more mysterious: Apparently, also when the killers murdered a female police officer, someone from a government agency was present. The president of the federal police (FBI equivalent) prematurely blabbered something about this possibly being a relationship-related murder and that one of the killers might have known the female police officer, which is pretty obvious nonsense. The whole thing seems like someone very high up is trying to cover something up. Not good.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/three-quarters-want-german-neo-nazi-party-banned-poll Three-quarters want German neo-Nazi party banned: poll Three-quarters of Germans want the neo-Nazi NPD party banned, a poll showed on Friday, after the discovery of an extreme far-right cell believed to have murdered 10 people, mainly Turkish shopkeepers. The survey, by polling agency Forschungsgruppe Wahlen, revealed that 77 percent of Germans want the NPD (National Democratic Party of Germany) outlawed, with 19 percent saying it should remain legal. Four percent said they did not know. Germany has been stunned by the discovery of a small neo-Nazi group believed to be responsible for the unsolved murders of eight men of Turkish origin and a Greek between 2000 and 2006 as well as a policewoman in 2007. The case has sparked allegations that the country may have turned a blind eye to the threat posed by right-wing extremism, despite Germany's deep-seated shame over its Nazi past. Chancellor Angela Merkel has said the murders were a "disgrace for Germany". In Zwickau, the town in the former communist East Germany where the neo-Nazi group lived for years, around 1,500 people demonstrated to support democracy and tolerance. When dusk fell on the town, residents walked to the city centre and lit candles to pay homage to the victims of the racist cell. Meanwhile a working group has been set up to examine whether to pursue a ban of the NPD. Police have in custody three suspected accomplices of the suspected killing cell -- the National Social Underground (NSU) -- two members of which were found dead this month in an apparent suicide. The country's president, Christian Wulff, announced on Thursday there would be a remembrance service for the victims in February. Berlin has already pledged to compensate their families. The NPD, which recently merged with the small far-right German People's Union (DVU), was set up in 1964 by former Nazis. In 2009 it had between 6,000 and 7,000 members. It has never won seats in the country's federal parliament but has gained representation in several regional parliaments. The survey of 1,276 people was conducted between November 22 and 24, the polling agency said. -------------------------------- Edit: 6,000 to 7,000 is less than 0.1 % of the population. But it's 6,000 or 7,000 too many, and everyone who votes for them is an idiot, and a disgrace.
I can't wait for an article in Saudi that says 3/4ths of the people there want Islamists outlawed. DD
You really think 75% of "regular" Saudis want to live under an oppressive terrorist supporting regime?
Seems like this discussion is pretty much going to devolve into the same thing that took place here. My thoughts on this are pretty obvious. These people suck, the people who support them suck, the people who excuse their behavior suck, and the people who try to equivocate this (both in nature and scope/scale) to violent Islamist behavior in Arab nations are disingenuous at best, and misleading at worst.
Nope, I think they are just scared to speak their minds.....that is the government I would like to see toppled. DD
It's a successor party that is somewhat trying to pretend they are within the law (although they are very bad at pretending that). There have been numerous attempts to ban this party, but the problem has been that it is infiltrated by government agents and courts cannot even discern who is acting as an agent provocateur and who is an actual Nazi. At least that's how I understood the legal reasoning for why they have not been banned yet. But I think that with these new revelations, chances are increasing that they will be banned.
It's more like 90%, but we will never see this article because the Islamists approve all the articles buddy.
They are not neo Nazis. Show how they are different than Nazis. I find that those who don't want to offend the Nazis tend to call them neo nazis. Personally, I see a difference between a Nazi and a neo Nazi. These are nazi terrorists and that's a nazi group allowed to continue to exist in Germany under the name "neo nazi".
