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President Donald Trump is not racist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dachuda86, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. dachuda86

    dachuda86 Member

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    Deckard, you're one of my favorite posters. Here though, gloves are off. Because of the volume of requests, I consider these completely responded to. I can’t promise I’ll spend more time on a dead horse. Some of the copy and past from Vox was cut for the character limit.
    • 1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations...
    This first bit is interesting and proves he MAY have pushed racist policy. Being sued is not the same as being guilty. Finding evidence doesn’t mean it proves wrong doing always. There are strong and weak categories of evidence. Also who can say if it was because these people were black? Where is the evidence that disproves other more likely motives, such as not wanting poor welfare recipients in your building? Next.

    • 1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”
    Heresay. Weak evidence. Maybe this person has an ax to grind and it lying. Also did Trump order them in the back or did the casino operator? Next.

    • 1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speechaccusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.
    This has nothing to do with race. Off-topic. Next.

    • 1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!”...
    While stupid, I don’t think you can prove it was about their race. Good luck. Next.

    • 1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”
    I’m glad you’re not a lawyer because this is worded in a way that makes it worse than it is. First of all, the guy could be lying. Second, just saying “stuff” in the book may be true, is not saying all of it is true. You’re making a leap here and again pushing words from someone who would lie to retaliate and sell books. Next.

    • 1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.
    Trump is not a pit boss. I really don’t think you can link Trump to these actions. That’s like blaming the CEO of McDonald’s because you got cold French fries. Next

    • 1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”
    Sounds like he is being an *******, but not really enough to prove he is a racist. Honestly just looks like he is talking out of his ass and trying to bring up that some people may be fake native Americans like Warren. Just saying someone might not be indian isn’t really a crime and you need something stronger. Next.

    • 2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of adssuggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”
    It’s not racist to go hard against your competition. Did the ads say these crimes were committed because Native Americans are criminal in nature or something awful like that? Next.

    • 2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”
    Yeah I think being overeducated and not experienced is a problem many applicants face regardless of race. This is a non-issue. Next.

    • 2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites...
    While stupid, it’s not racist. It’s very stupid though and distasteful. It’s identity politics before the country got into it. It might actually be something the left would pitch today, but white straight men versus everyone else would be their cup of tea. Next.

    • 2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan...
    Muslim is not a race. Next.

    2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US...

    Thinking he may be born somewhere else is more of a nativist issue. I don’t think you can conclude it has to do with race. Suggesting a strong correlation exists with birtherism and racism is not actually proving anything other than a possibility. I agree, it does suggest a possibility. Of course, you may be racist too. There is a possibility. Next.

    • 2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School...
    It’s not racist to question someone’s education background; especially if you’ve heard something like Trump claims.
     
  2. juicystream

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    Dachuda clearly needs to see a KKK card to identify someone as racist. But even then I think he might say they just joined for the robes.
     
  3. dachuda86

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    Aw someone is salty cause I sank their battleship...

     
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    Weak!
     
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    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...ump-is-not-racist.300860/page-4#post-12569398

    I've noticed that in all your rebutals, all you do is say "this ain't evidence of racism" and just leave it at that with no underlying evidence. For some reason you expect people to believe at face value.

    Funny story about Obama's college transcripts below.

    So universities have publicly available records of who graduates with honors usually determined by GPA level or class rank. My school for example was 3.3 for c*m laude, 3.6 for magna c*m laude and 3.85 summa c*m laude. Your transcripts cannot be released to the public without your consent but the school will confirm or deny if you graduated with some level of honors openly to the public. It's all public record. Donald and his father released in the tabloids after his graduation and when his father named him president of the family real estate business that he graduated "at the top of his class". Journalists contacted UPenn and UPenn has no record of Donald graduating with even c*m laude which means his gpa was definitely below a 3.3. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it barely scratched 2.0. It kinda shows how brazen Trump is with lying. He'll lie even with something easily verifiable. He just understands that maybe 60% of the people who read that initial tabloid will never read the counter article that shows he was lying.

    Anyways that isn't even the funny part that actually makes this story lol worthy. So obviously you well know that Donald Trump has publicly on twitter proudly chided Obama for not releasing his transcripts even going as far as saying "he probably was a bad student".

    Harvard Law School confirms that Obama graduated magna c*m laude. For Harvard Law, magna c*m laude means you graduated top ten percent in your class. Top ten percent in the most prestigious law school on the planet.

    Also randomly questioning Obama's academic credentials out of all the other presidential candidates and prior presidents when no other presidential candidates including the 16 other GOP candidates he battled never released their transcripts is odd. Why hadn't he ever questioned Hillary's academic record? Rubio's? Mitt Romeny's? Ted Cruz? Elizabeth Warren's?
     
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    Uhhh right. You are trolling I guess.
     
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    Step your game up.
     
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  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Throw out racist...do you think President Trump is a bigot?
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    Just how it is with some people.

    You can ONLY be racist if you are a card carrying member of the KKK AND you are caught lighting a cross on a front yard while yelling various racial slurs....

    BUT if you post a picture of Betty White, then you are 100% a racist
     
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    This is most Trump supporters or racists. The belief is that in order to be racist, you literally have to say those very words. When Trump says something outlandish or racist, it’s clearly the media spinning it. Clearly. When a racist white lady told McCain that she was worried about Obama being an Arab, he corrected her poignantly.

    When a lady shouted “shoot em!” when Trump asked what they should do about immigrants, he laughed.

    That’s racism.
     
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    bruce andre = sweetlou = new yorker.

    but you have only been here for less than a month. your joined date is july 31, 2019. how do you know bobby?

    and there is no question that trump has said a bunch of racist crap - anyone who denies this is willfully ignorant or a liar.
     
  12. dachuda86

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    Arab and immigrant is not a race.

    Also maybe he laughed at her cause she is insane. I juat disagree with people here who claim themselves mind readers and seem to know what people think. You can't prove he is racist so you all reach for straws.
     
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    Arab is usually considered a race, what is and isn't a race is literally socially constructed...let's not get into that, but do 5 minutes of research on this...

    You called people who posted a Betty White picture racist though, why is there such a low bar there?
     
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    “Maybe” he laughed at her for that reason. No, we all know why he laughed. We all know why McCain corrected that other lady. McCain was honorable. He had his views and they were different from Obama’s but no one ever thought he was anything other than a good man.

    Again, you want proof that he’s a racist by him literally saying “look at me! I’m a racist!”. I’ll ask you this: he’s clearly a sexist and mysoginist right?
     
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    If someone made preconceived assumption of a random Arab looking man on the street wearing a suicide vest, what would you call it? Bigotry?

    If we called Trump a bigot instead would you be content in satisfying pedanticism?
     
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    It is well documented that he is a racist. You closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears doesn't change any of that.
     
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    I’ll give you as long as you need to look at the Donald Trump Supporter Misdirection Handbook to see how you can spin him on record saying he literally sexually assaulted women without their consent.
     
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    This.

    It's amazing how he dismisses everything said about Trump but the Betty White thing is truly racist.
     
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  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    He is an Ostrich with his head buried in the sand - has more excuses than an incarcerated man....

    DD
     

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