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Young people are 'ghosting' employers

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  1. jiggyfly

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    https://money.yahoo.com/career-buil...81045113.html?re=0&.tsrc=notification-brknews

    Gen Z, currently aged 8 to 23 years old, are the youngest generation entering the workforce. And they’re already forcing employers to make changes to company culture, diversity, and inclusion.

    However, they do other things a bit differently, according to Career Builder's CEO Irina Novoselsky.

    “We’re actually seeing ‘ghosting’ [by] Gen Z,” Novoselsky told Yahoo Finance (video above). “So they just take a job and do not show up. Or they quit a job and do not let their employer know, they just don't show up and leave a badge.”
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    Half of millennials and Gen Zers have ghosted an employer for a higher paying job opportunity elsewhere, according to the Randstad 2020 U.S. Compensation Insights survey.

    The two youngest generations in the workforce not only find it unnecessary to say goodbye before quitting. They are also bolder in salary negotiations. Nearly 3 in 5 millennials and Gen Zers say they have leveraged a potential job offer as a negotiation tactic to get a pay raise at their current job.

    Good compensation is not the only thing these two generations are looking for in an employer: For them, the company’s mission and culture is a priority.

    “They're helping to drive companies really highlight their mission and purpose,” Novoselsky told Yahoo Finance. “That is one of their number one criteria for joining a business.”

    Gen Z doesn’t stop here, they’re also influencing diversity and inclusion as they’re looking for a much more mirrored and diverse workforce to join.

    ”Companies are putting out a lot more executive roles and leadership roles that are focused around that,” Novoselsky said. “They're looking at companies and measuring them on that.”" data-reactid="48" style="margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">“They want a job that integrates seamlessly with their life,” Glassdoor Chief Economist Dr. Chamberlain told Yahoo Finance. “It isn't just a paycheck, but is also a symbol of who they are.”

    Gen Z doesn’t stop here, they’re also influencing diversity and inclusion as they’re looking for a much more mirrored and diverse workforce to join.

    ”Companies are putting out a lot more executive roles and leadership roles that are focused around that,” Novoselsky said. “They're looking at companies and measuring them on that.”
     
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  2. Amiga

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    Interesting. Lack details on which type of employee - contractor vs non-contractor for example and the reasons for acting like this. I would guess that since there is no loyalty from employers and that contractors can be let go for any reasons, the employees are reacting in the same way toward their employers.
     
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  3. Space Ghost

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    This is easy to do in a low employment era. Millennials learned this in the last recession.

    8-23 year olds are not shaping the job market at all currently. Millennials are. Im not sure why this article is giving credit to Gen Z.
     
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  4. JuanValdez

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    When they did this survey, did they define "ghosting" for the baby boomers or just assumed they would know?

    Also, I'm skeptical its a generational culture difference and suspect it is more a product of the changing workplace.
     
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    Good for them.

    Time to put an end to these decades old bootlicker workplace norms. Your labor is very valuable so leverage it as much as you can to your benefit. Companies have shown over and over again they have no loyalty. Now, labor is returning the favor. This is "free market" forces deciding what's best for labor.
     
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    I am pretty sure they did not use ghosting in there question, it was probably asking have you ever just left a job without giving notice.

    I am a early Gen Xer and I have done it.
     
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    I hope they are never unemployed, desperately needing a job, and the only available job is at one of the compaines they "ghosted". I have switched companies only once in my career and I took extra care to not burn any bridges when I left the other employer even though I could not stand them because I have a family and may one day need a job.
     
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    I bet something like 75% of 8-year olds ghosted the lemonade stands their friends started up and asked them to work at for free.
     
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  9. Major

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    I have a Gen-Z employee that's twice been ghosted by companies he worked for. Once, they just stopped scheduling him. The other one was a semi-mobile business and apparently they moved locations and just didn't tell him.
     
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    That made me think of this:

     
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  11. JuanValdez

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    Over the last ~ half-century of working:

    * Size and strength of unions has gone down
    * Share of jobs in manufacturing has shrunk while share of unskilled service jobs has gone up
    * Digitization, automation, and globalization has gone through the roof
    * The internet has made the job market much more liquid
    * People are getting married later in life and having children later in life
    * College attendance increased and college debt gone bonkers
    * Gig economy
    * Banking and payroll has digitized
    * Work relationships have become increasingly by electronic and telephonic communication

    Given what's going on, would it be a surprise for the young people of any generation to do a lot more ghosting? When baby boomers were young, you could get decent pay with a high school diploma, be married with children to support before you're 25, but you had to find a new job by flipping through the classifieds in a newspaper. And when you quit, you still had to show up on Friday to get your paycheck.

    I know my dad's walked off of jobs before when he was young, but he wouldn't do it without the satisfaction of telling his jerk-off boss that he quit to his face. Eventually you need to go in to collect your last paycheck. If he was a young man today, probably he would ghost a boss he never met in person knowing his money would be direct deposited into his bank account anyway.
     
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    My 8-year old ghosted me last night just one day after getting his commission check (allowance) on Sunday. I had to take over his role myself (take out the trash and feed the dog).

    But seriously, my team hired a new editorial person a few weeks ago. Yesterday was supposed to be her first day and she totally no-showed/no-called.

    I did this all the time in my younger days, but I'm way too entrenched and have too many relationships in my current career that I could never do that now. Maybe this should go in the "how do you know you're getting old" thread...
     
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    It's a really bad practice.

    I've had people who ghosted my team and then ask for a reference or to work in a different position. I declined on both counts. I had one just give my info as a reference without asking and when they called I told them they were alright until they just stopped showing up to work.

    How hard is it to tell your employer you are quitting? Your employer tells you when you are fired and often gives you two weeks of pay at least. I am all for work empowerment but the idea that "ghosting" an employer should be the new norm is ridiculous.
     
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    I think this is partially due to technology and how quickly you can put in / get interviews scheduled for numerous jobs electronically.

    In my most recent switch, It was challenging for me to accept a job when I had 6 more pending interviews. What if the others ended up better opportunities?
     
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    Sidenote: Jesus ghosted his girlfriend Mary Maga starting the trend that continues to this day.
     
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    I’ve been ghosted by an employer as well, as a contractor, they just stopped giving me work, managers couldn’t give me an answer when new cases would be available, and within a 2 months deleted my company profile without a word said.

    This was my sole job providing for my family (management knew this, and that I had children) the way my worked slowed, stalled, was told more work was coming but don’t know when, then not getting replies from management, to eventual deletion of my account without any reason given was pretty ****ed up for me.

    So I’m willing to bet it’s also very common on the employer side as well, especially with contractor work that is based purely on online communications.
     
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    It's disgraceful. I could maybe understand if it's a fast food job that probably anticipates ghosting and it's not a position you would probably need for a resume anyway. But anything else, give some kind of notice if you're a decent human. Even if employers have ghosted you in the past, take the high road.
     
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    When I was dating, I told this chick i wasn't ready to go steady. I couldn't blame her when she stopped responding to me when she found what she wanted else where.
     
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    I'm not surprised. People entering the workforce today are faced with a littany of jobs and slow to minimal pay increases. The system today incentivizes switching jobs every two years to max out your pay. Corporate loyalty is basically dead at this point and the rise of a new generation of tech companies has basically reinforced this. Unemployment in tech in many cities is probably less than 1% so ghosting employers and constant job hunting is a natural result.

    Unlike past economic booms where internal growth opportunities and larger than average pay increases were available, tech companies today are basically giving cost of living raises with limited upward mobility (despite having a shortage of workers). If you want to rapidly increase your pay, you should basically interview constantly and jump ship every chance you get. Employers are so desperate they'll overlook the fact that you've switched jobs every year or two.
     
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    This is what I figured. For those that are entering the workforce, they have a plethora of choices, they really should not be struggling.

    I had no choice but to take the first job offer that came to me when I graduated at the peak of the recession. It didn't pay as good, but hell I needed to take care of grandma, so money was secondary anyways. Personally, I would never ghost anybody, it's not in my nature to do that. It sounds crazy to me that people actually do this.
     
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