some of you faker fans/kobe arse-kissers just make me sick. if you want to insist how that dunk over Nash was the "greatest dunk" you've ever seen, or how glad you were that Nash was called for a block instead of getting a charge, you need to show some solid evidence other than saying stuff like "kobe's in the air when Nash came under him". that's BULL, you got it? don't act like some lazy idiots in my class. Get your arses up and do some homework! Here's a little quitz for yo; don't be a puss. (study material: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_oXDpngqQ ) 1. Was Nash there with his feet set, BEFORE Kobe gets up in the air? (hint: look at Kobe's feet, r****do!) 2. Was Kobe in the air now? (in this frame after the first one, your hero is still ground-bound.) 3. Now tell me: block, or charge? Admitted, this sequence happened too fast for the referee to make a very confident and accurate call. The Suns doomed themselves in the 2nd quarter, not by this foul call. However, if you make crap comments about this play or my comments, then back up your argument with evidence. The commentators, after reviewing the replay, said Kobe got away this time, maybe being rewarded for the noncall in game 1. I'm sure glad there are people who agree with me, and they happen to be much much more knowledgeable than most of you faker fans anyway. Also considering the situation, the refs sure made a smart call. Smart, but not necessarily correct. Now it's your chance to prove me wrong. Otherwise, get the **** out of my face.
I love this thread. Even if it had been a blocking foul, I have to respect Nash for having the balls to step in there and take it. There are a ton of players that would have just side stepped Kobe and let him have the bucket.
objectively speaking, i don't think there was much contact other than nash putting his arms up and having his arms brush up against kobe's thighs in all fairness, kobe avoided contact with nash and i have to say that nash basically took a flop
Well, there is a fine line between taking a flop and trying to protect oneself. To me, avoiding a hard contact is acceptable. In this situation, if Nash didn't fall down, there is risk of getting hit by Kobe's knee(s). It's a charge, though a not-so-easy call.
Although Kobe did try to avoid contact (IMO), Steve Nash did a pretty good job of getting there and he was definitely there before Kobe was air borne. Although it wasn't a power slam right over Steve Nash (it did kind of look like Nash didn't get bulled over, instead slightly acted it out), there was some contact. I think the call could go either way, and Kobe got the call this time. That DEFINITELY wasn't the greatest dunk I've ever seen, I don't know about you guys though.
Those 4 frames happened within a split second. Like you said, you can't expect referees to make that call perfectly every time. I do think it should've been a no-call, however. Nash was obviously out of the circle, but you could also argue that he wasn't set before Kobe went up (which we see he was in these frames, but once again that is a tough call in real time). Really though, I don't see the big deal. He dunked on Steve Nash. It was nice. However, just because Nash is an MVP candidate doesn't mean he should be challenging dunks like that. Maybe if it would've been Shawn Marion it would've been different.
Well i disagree. As far as im concerned it was a good call. Im not claiming to be any of 'expert' here, but the way i see it... nash does NOT get into a legal defensive position BEFORE kobe leaves the ground. OK OK sure, Nash does get his feet set at either THE SAME TIME or a fraction of a second earlier than Kobe leaving the ground, but as far as i can see he doesnt have position. Nash doesn not get into 'legal position' until frame 3. u see he is still moving into his position in the first 2 frames. In frame 3 Kobe is clearly in the air already. Im sure all you kobe haters will try to argue with me using the 'but his feet a clearly planted' rule. Im not disagreeing - his feet are planted, BUT he isnt in correct position. He is still moving into position. Look at his bent knees in the first 2 frames. Im sure if i found any clip of a blocking foul, when the player is attempting to draw a charge, i can freeze frame at a point and say "OH BUT HIS FEET ARE PLANTED" - maybe they are, does he has correct 'legal' position? Either way, thats my opinion, some may think its wrong. Hey, it might even be wrong but as stated earlier, the ref didnt have the option to freeze frame and disect, he made the call based on what he saw (or who he saw, ie. Kobe).
what irritated me about the call was that joey crawford initially called the charge and then looked at where nash was and then changed it to a block. I am sitting screaming at the stupid ref "well of course after he gets knocked down to the ground he is going to be in the 'restricted area'" It was a charge and it seemed that crawford who had the call right initially changed his mind after kobe went after him. my friends and i have noticed that the basketball gods notice this too and more times than not after a bs call that results in FTs the player will miss one of the two. case in point, kobe a 85-86% ft misses the ft after this dunk. i dont like bavetta at all but that guy sticks to his calls bad or good, i dont like refs changing their own calls. I can understand another ref coming in and saying "i had a better angle it was a charge etc" but to change your own call is a bit spineless
It was clearly a no call situation. Especially when Kwame had just mugged someone for an O. rebound and wasnt called for anything (if I remember correctly).
C. BLOCK-CHARGE A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a dribbler regardless of his speed and distance. A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion with the ball to attempt a field goal or pass. ... The words above are from the NBA Rule Book 2K5-2K6. What is upward motion? I don't think upward motion=leaving ground. After the last step was made, the moment KB's center of mass went upward is the moment upward motion began. I don't have the video. So I can't come to the conclusion before the real key frames are posted.
What equalls legal position? I was always told to bring my hands down and behind me so that there was no illegal contact with my hands. I don't know what the NBA rules say. It does look like Nash's hands are in front of him and moving into Kobe's body. I think that they must be straigt up and down and not moving forward into Kobe's body which they are. Maybe someone can clearify this because I am certainly not sure of what the NBA wording is.
Kobe and Nash got there at the same time. Nash WAS outside the circle. IMO should have been a NO CALL. On top of that, Kobe barely touched him, literally jumped over him and bottom line, he flopped.
