Prompted by this thread from the other night... Yao Ming touch report, for the crybabies. Unlike that thread, I'm just going to present the facts. No conclusions or commentary from me. I only had Yao for 4 offensive rebounds while the box score says 5, but that's because I don't count it as a touch if Yao gets a rebound and immediately passes off to a teammate, especially on the perimeter. Discuss.
Dude he only got 8 touches the Yahoo box score said so. Or at least that's the logic being used by some people in the game thread.
I like that he's not getting doubled as much. The reason is that the offense is starting to click. He's getting the ball after the rest of the Rockets move the ball around, so he gets it as his man is still recovering behind him. I like how the offense is starting to come around.
He only took eight shots, converting on seven of them. I don't care where you're coming from, eight shots is way too low.
Basiclly everytime Yao got the ball in deep post or mid post, Rockets either got fouled or scored. It was even more obvious in 4th quarter, when Rockets started looking for Yao, Thunders had no answer. Yao is not a threat in high post at all.
I only watched the 2nd half of the game. What happened in the 2nd quarter? Yao got only 2 touches? He played very few minutes or what?
3 of those 8 shots come from offensive rebounds. I agree he only attempted few shots tonight, but he has being doubled almost all night.
lesson is: 3 quarters, feed him balls, always good things happen, pass out for a good shot, or score or get fouled. last quarter he should get less touches cuz he usually turnover a lot at the end.
Well, I don't really know how to put the chart work up and I never counted the offensive rebounds or defensive rebs either. I considered a quality touch, shoe blocks. If he was high post, I didn't even count that as a scoring chance.
Is there any demand for me to do this every game? If so, I'll consider it. I just don't want to do it for no reason The exception is if I go to a game (I go to about a dozen a season), I probably won't take the time to go back and watch it again at home, so I'd have to skip the charting of those games.
I like it CCR! (and I am wondering if this is what you are doing for the secret get paid to watch games job )
Is a touch anytime Yao touches the ball on the offensive end? Just curious. Also curious, how many touches do the other players get? I'm assuming it would be unfair to compare Yao to our PGs. But you can certainly compare to Scola/Landry, and I would be curious to see as compared to T-Mac/Artest. If the Rockets are getting about 89 possessions a game, Yao is playing about 73% of the minutes = 65 possessions. 25 touches / 65 possessions = 38.5% of possessions when Yao is in the game he gets a touch. I'd argue this is slightly low. He has his FG% back over 50%. He's our best FT shooter, and when ref'd properly, will get 5+ FT's per game. Plus, regardless of whether the fans want it different or not, the team is at it's best when it's half court offense is clicking, as opposed to run and gun. The concern would be increased turnovers and tiring Yao out. I like Tracy (when healthy), and he is our best playmaker and an amazing scorer, but he isn't nearly as efficient. And this isn't a bash Tracy thread anyway...BUT, I would guess, his % of touches to be much higher. And if I'm doing the math right, there's nothing wrong with that...in fact, all players could theoretically touch the ball on 100% of the possessions when they're in the game. It would just be a lot of swinging of the ball, etc. Tracy's % may not need to go down, but Yao's needs to go up a bit, as would Artest's - just from what I've seen. I wonder what the %'s are for Boston's Big 3? Thoughts?
It's subjective to a certain extent, but I pretty much chart every time that Yao has the ball completely in his possession in the half court and could be expected to make a play within the offense. Other than that, I chart tip-in make/attempts. So basically everything besides getting the ball 30+ feet from the basket while breaking a press, diving on the floor for a loose ball, or saving a ball back in bounds (unless it results directly in a score). Hopefully that clears things up a bit. By the way, I would agree that his touches seemed limited last night, but not on account of him not working for them. He just wasn't getting the ball when he pinned his man in front of the rim on the ball reversal. It must be frustrating for him.
Wow great job CCR May I ask how you managed to compile the touches? Do you get off some website, or do you watch every single second of the game and record it manually? If its the former can you be kind enough to get Tmac, Alston, Scolandry and Artest's touches as well (just the total amount of touches)? Stats by themselves are useless, since we can't tell if he had too little or the most touches in comparison to the rest of the team. If its the latter nevermind...we'd probably have to start paying you to compile that amount of data Of the 25 touches Yao had, 4 were from offensive rebs so they don't count. Of the 21 touches Yao had, 11 resulted in good stuff happening(getting fouled, getting an assist, scoring etc.), 4 resulted in bad stuff happening (turnover, blocked shot etc) and 6 didn't result in anything. Basically, every time you gave the ball to Yao Ming you would get something good 52% of the time, get something bad 19% of the time and get nothing 29% of the time. Another way of looking at it is that of all the touches Yao had last game, giving him the ball was the wrong thing to do only 19% of the time. Based on this, I believe we can conclude that Yao should have had more touches, especially in the 4rth quarter when he made something happen everytime he had the ball in his hands. That Yao got the ball only 5 times in the 4rth tells me that Addledman seems to be unable to accurately assess his players' condition in-game, which would probably explain his erratic substition patterns the past few games. Sorry for turning my post into Addledman bashing. I had no idea it would come out like that when I typed it lol....
